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    Default MKM in article - The Jumper won not the Artist - 2018/1998 Olympics

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...ics/366111002/

    "The parallels between this competition and 1998 are striking, with Medvedeva playing the role of 17-year-old Michelle Kwan, and Zagitova the 15-year-old Lipinski...... Past being prologue, we should have known the judges were going to do it again. Figure skating chose the jumper over the artist once more, even though Zagitova and Medvedeva have plenty of both qualities in them.

    "But when it came down to it, when the sport, through its nine judges, was doing the choosing, it went with the better jumper. Again.

    ".....Olympic decisions usually create a ripple effect in the sport. When Lipinski beat Kwan, it was clear the sportís balance had tipped in favor of doing as many triple jumps as possible. The impact this time could trickle down to the lowest levels of the sport, U.S. Olympic coach Audrey Weisiger said in a text message."

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    You know, as much as I was impressed by Nathan's Quads, had he won the OGM more or less based on his Quads I would have felt that the sport had been
    dealt a dis-service.

    I much preferred the Japanese winner's program.

    Maybe it's time for history to repeat itself and the sport's governing body to start limiting the number of jumps of any kind in one program.

    Perhaps they could introduce a new competition for the jumpers as jumps, especially the Quads are certainly difficult and IMO do deserve to be recognized.

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    I agree that Hanyu's programs were far and away the best at the Olympics. He had the complete package- the difficult jumping elements coupled with the artistic, emotional and musical interpretive qualities of skating. I admire Nathan very much because although his strength lies in jumping and his jumps have made skating history, he is not content just to stop there. He has been working very hard over the last couple of years to improve on his artistry and I think he is making very good strides there. In my opinion he will just keep getting better in all area. I don't think we need a separate competition for jumping. The ISU just needs to reward the non- jumping elements more, and skaters who have a balanced program.

    This brings me to Alina. Although I am very impressed with all of the jumps that she is able to do at such a young age, I don't like the way her programs are constructed. I understand that she back loads them in order to get the maximum points, but I prefer a program that has a fairly equal balance of jumps, spins, and footwork throughout. Evgenia too me has a more balanced program plus has the maturity and ability to emote that Alina currently lack.

    Michelle in her day Like Tara always did a high number of triples in her programs, but unlike Tara she also had the ability to create magic on the ice with her artistry.

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    I wanted Medvedeva to win the ladies, but Zagitova won it fairly, according to the rules as they exist today. I hope the ISU goes back and reevaluates back-end loaded programs. I believe that if Zagitova didn't back-end load her programs, and had a well-balanced program, that Medvedeva would have beaten her. I'm sooooo not a fan of back-end loading. The first two minutes of Zagitova's program I get up and find a snack, or check my email because I know nothing interesting happens.

    Comparing 2018 to 1998 seems fair enough, but IMO Medvedeva cannot even touch the artistry that Michelle had at 17. Medvedeva needs a lot of work to get up to that level of artistry, and unfortunately with the Eteri factory pumping out little Russian jumpers every year or two, I doubt we'll see Medvedeva progress to become a true artist. I think she has potential, but the little girls coming up behind her will be the talk of the town by 2022, IMO. Same with Zagitova, I doubt we'll see her in 2022 as well. Such a shame.

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    The jumping problem goes farther back than 1998.

    I can't remember the ladies name but it got to the point that no one could compete her because she kept
    doing the same jump over and over in the same program.

    The fix was to limit the times a jump could be performed in the same program to two, one of which has must be in combination.

    It used to be referred to as the (Skater's name) rule.

    Actually the Russian ladies 5 triples did not bother me that much because she did them so fast.

    What does IMO detract from many skaters programs is the time spent getting ready to launch a jump, especially a quad or a triple.

    IMO the Skiing community took the right path when they embraced the so-called 'Hot Dog Skiers' and the Snowboarders and created
    competitions around what those people are doing, that's why I hinted that maybe a jumping competition may be in order.

    Sort of like the old adage that says "If you can't lick them.....Join them"

    Cheers to all

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    Quote Originally Posted by billob View Post
    The jumping problem goes farther back than 1998.

    I can't remember the ladies name but it got to the point that no one could compete her because she kept
    doing the same jump over and over in the same program.

    The fix was to limit the times a jump could be performed in the same program to two, one of which has must be in combination.

    It used to be referred to as the (Skater's name) rule.

    Actually the Russian ladies 5 triples did not bother me that much because she did them so fast.

    What does IMO detract from many skaters programs is the time spent getting ready to launch a jump, especially a quad or a triple.

    IMO the Skiing community took the right path when they embraced the so-called 'Hot Dog Skiers' and the Snowboarders and created
    competitions around what those people are doing, that's why I hinted that maybe a jumping competition may be in order.

    Sort of like the old adage that says "If you can't lick them.....Join them"

    Cheers to all
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    Keith, keeper of The Falling Leaf Special a.k.a. The Diplomat

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    Yup, the Zayak rule. And don't forget the Trixie Schuba consequence--she was so far ahead after the school figures that nobody could touch her, even though she was a poor free skater. So instead of fixing the rules, they just got rid of the school figures. Michelle was always great at school figures. I think she would have won everything if there had still been school figures in 98.

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    It is perhaps noteworthy that this issue has cut both ways with Michelle. In her breakout performance at 1995 Worlds she was the young jumping bean, with the highest level of jumping difficulty and being the only one in the top five to land all of them cleanly. The judges went with the more mature skaters, but three years later, using the same judging system, rewarded Tara for her jumps.
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