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    Default 2014 US Olympic Team Selections

    http://www.usfsa.org/Story.asp?id=49828&type=media

    Ladies
    Polina Edmunds
    Gracie Gold
    Ashley Wagner
    Alternate No. 1 - Mirai Nagasu
    Alternate No. 2 - Samantha Cesario
    Alternate No. 3 - Courtney Hicks

    Men's
    Jeremy Abbott
    Jason Brown
    Alternate No. 1 - Max Aaron
    Alternate No. 2 - Joshua Farris
    Alternate No. 3 - Richard Dornbush

    Pairs
    Marissa Castelli and Simon Shnapir
    Felicia Zhang and Nathan Bartholomay
    Alternate No. 1 - Caydee Denney and John Coughlin
    Alternate No. 2 - Alexa Scimeca and Chris Knierim
    Alternate No. 3 - Haven Denney and Brandon Frazier

    Ice Dance
    Madison Chock and Evan Bates
    Meryl Davis and Charlie White
    Maia Shibutani and Alex Shibutani
    Alternate No. 1 - Madison Hubbell and Zach Donohue
    Alternate No. 2 - Alexandra Aldridge and Daniel Eaton
    Alternate No. 3 - Lynn Kriengkrairut and Logan Giulietti-Schmitt
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    Wow, I never thought they would send Ashley. She better get her act together for the Olympics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElkGroveGroovin View Post
    Just announced live via IceNetwork.com live stream

    Pairs
    Castelli/Shnapir
    Zhang/Barthaoomay

    Ice Dance
    Davis/White
    Chock/Bates
    Shibutani/Shibutani

    Ladies
    Gold
    Edmunds
    Wagner
    I am sad for Mirai and somewhat worried for our team. That said, Mirai had the deck stacked against her when looking at anything besides this week. The selection committee was only allowed to look at results from the 2013 Nationals forward. I believe this also hurt any chances Caydee and John had. I am puzzled as to why there was any talk of looking at the skater's body of work when only one season was considered. When all is said and done, all I can say is go Team USA!

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    not to diminish her own role in the way things went down, but this is rotten IMO and the second time USFS has given Mirai the shaft during an Olympic trial (*cough* she should have won 2010 nats *cough*).

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    Sad for Mirai (I wanted her to make it back to the Olympics), but I am happy for everyone else and wish them well. Who gets to skate in the team event?
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    I considered some of Michelle's insights from her article about Gracie's win (http://msn.foxsports.com/olympics/st...or-more-011114) before I made a choice. Should Ashley be on the Olympic team?

    "The result will make for a tough decision for the committee that determines which three ladies skaters will represent the USA in Sochi. That selection group will take not only this weekend’s performances into account, but several others this season before making its decisions.


    In third place, Mirai Nagasu always delivers when the pressure is on and tonight was no different. Coming into these Championships people were probably already counting her out, but remember, she finished fourth at the last Olympics and it wasn’t by accident. She was so close to bronze in Vancouver, and tonight she showed that experience and her fighting spirit could earn her a possible spot on the team."[/I]


    I feel so sad for Mirai--she seems to be emotionally delicate. But, what potential she has! I understand Ashley's accomplishments throughout 2013, and I hope she shines in Sochi. But, I actually wished that Mirai would be chosen.
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    They just announced breaking news at the end of the Men's Competition, Mirai is appealing the decision of her being left off the Olympic team...this will be interesting....
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    Quote Originally Posted by ElkGroveGroovin View Post
    They just announced breaking news at the end of the Men's Competition, Mirai is appealing the decision of her being left off the Olympic team...this will be interesting....
    She should. I would too.

    I use this expletive (and I don't use it often) in the worst possible way, but that's ****ed up that she was left off. She delivered under pressure when it counted most.
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    Unfortunately, I was thinking that Mirai would be left off the team- and I love Mirai.

    Gracie Gold must be on the team as the winner and apparently she has the goods. Polina, although young, seems to have potential and needs intl. cred. And the truth is, without Ashley, there would be no 3rd spot. So Mirai would have been left off, if that was the case. So Ashley "earned" her spot on the team and Mirai is yesterday's story, sadly.

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    i wonder, could they have not (considering the rule in which they can consider the 'whole body of work" in determing) why they wouldnt have sent Gold of course, then Ashley for obvious reasons (say what you will, but she has been more experienced and dominant) AND Mirai because she does, as others have said, perform well under pressure, and i think narrowly missed the podium in 2010. I think those should be the three with no offense to the young silver medalisit Polina (forgot last name AGAIN soooo sorry) who could be an alternate and be primed for the 2018 olympics at which time she will only be 19. To me, that would have been fair. Much like when Michelle was bumped off the 1994 team, then brought in as an alternate, at the beginning she understood the others who have been there longer should go, and she'd wait. Nothing wrong with her skating, i just feel like this is not the strongest team as this young lady, who deserves the medal, has skated well..but really sort of got the advantage of other's mistakes. Idk, i just love Mirai and think she would have served us well there. just me though.
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    Anyone think they didn't choose Mirai because she's coach-less? Just wondering...

    I love Polina's programs but she doesn't have the experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IzzyS View Post
    Anyone think they didn't choose Mirai because she's coach-less? Just wondering...

    I love Polina's programs but she doesn't have the experience.
    As I said before, the selection committee was only allowed to look at results from the 2013 Nationals forward. This seems in direct conflict with looking at an athlete's body of work.

    And MK went to the Olympics coach-less, that wasn't part of the selection criteria, etc so the only role that aught to have played was lack of assistance with an appeal.

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    On a related note, who would love to see Mirai medal at Worlds?

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    While I'd love to see Mirai medal at Worlds, that'll be tough to do as she was left off of the Worlds team as well.
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    Count me in the camp that believes Mirai earned her spot on the Olympic Team or at least Worlds, but she gets Four Continents instead...whoopdeedo.....

    And of course the USFSA has their media cheerleaders (Hamilton , Brennan, Armour) out there in full force spinning the party line for the decision.

    Perhaps Ashley will pull it all together at the Olympics and not make the mistakes she has. But last year at Nationals, even though she won, she was pretty shaky in her long program and from what I've read, she hasn't exactly been tearing the roofs off the arenas with her latest competitions.

    So they use international experience and "body of work" and recent successes to justify why Mirai loses to Ashley. But when you bring up the inconvenient fact that Polina has no comparable experience or body of work or international exposure at the senior level you get "But she skated well at Nationals and is the future of figure skating and we need to develop her." I wonder if that is part of the official selection criteria?

    We are already hearing the hype that Polina just might pull an upset, ala Tara or Sarah, because she will have no pressure. Good luck to her but...I probably don't have to remind anyone here that as young as Tara was when she got the gold medal at the Olympics, she'd been to Worlds twice, finishing 15th in her first try and FIRST in her second (1996-1997 season). In addition, she had also participated and medaled in numerous Grand Prix events.

    Sarah Hughes had placed 7th, 5th and 3rd, respectively at Worlds in the run-up to the 2002 Olympics. Again, she also had a solid body of participation the Grand Prix events.

    Polina is going in with ZERO-ZIP-ZILCH such exposure....

    But you won't hear the USFSA media groupies and promoters pointing out these inconvenient FACTS because they are counting on the lack of information and knowledge about figure skating for those who only tune in every 4 years. Believe, promos are going to be hyping that one big time. This tag line has already hit the presses: "Polina Edmunds Follows Same Path as Idol Tara Lipinski".

    Excuse me? Tara had already medaled at worlds and numerous other ladies senior level international events AND she had a bronze, sliver and gold national medal. How is that anywhere near the same "path"? But who knows? Maybe under the NJS it will be possible for a youngster who has never participated in a senior international event to win an Olympic Gold medal without any prior participation in either a World or Grand Prix Event.

    If the powers that be at the USFSA want to reach beyond a very small audience of hard core fans, they are going to have to a much better job of providing a transparent, well-publicized, quantifiable measure of how these decisions are made. While I understand the rules were available to the skaters and they all allegedly had a clear understanding of what it was going to take to make the team, it was not well-explained or promoted to the general public.

    The powers that be may not care because they have convinced themselves they are right. The results of this ESPN Nation poll are pretty interesting:

    http://espn.go.com/espnw/news-commen...s-olympic-team

    I thought I would point it out in case you all want to vote because at this point, it is pretty lopsided.
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    I understand why they selected Ashley, but I don't agree with sending Polina instead of Mirai. There is no rule that says the top 2 must be named to the team. Mirai has at least the same level "future potential" as Polina.

    The fact that Ashley & Gracie competed at Worlds last year and secured 3 spots is IRRELEVANT as far as selection of the Oly team is concerned. Just because you help earn spots one year, does NOT guarantee that you will be on the team next year, and this has happened many times in regards to World team spots. Finally, why don't they at least put Mirai on the 2014 world team???
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    This is just so wrong on so many levels.

    I understand why they picked Ashley--they would lose too much money from her sponsors if she didn't go.

    If Ashley had any integrity at all, she would have declined the spot.

    My prediction for Sochi: Ashley will choke again and finish out of the top 5, Polina won't make it to the top 10 because she doesn't have the reputation, and Gracie will finish no higher than 5th after YuNa, Mao, Carolina, and at least one of the Russian baby ballerinas. At least Mirai managed a 4th place last time.

    It would be great if Mirai won her protest, but that ain't gonna happen. She has to play nice because she's the first alternate, but if I were her, I would hire a shark lawyer and sue the pants off of USFSA for the income she's going to lose from endorsements.

    BTW, I don't do social networks (except for this one, of course), but somebody started Twitter thing called something like "#Mirai earned it" where there's a lot of speculation about racism. Personally, I'm not sure if I buy that, but it would make a great basis for another lawsuit.

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    great post vive_la_reine!

    can't vote in ESPN's poll however. the question should be "does Mirai deserve an Olys spot?". if it were up to me, i would send Gracie, Mirai & Ashley & let Polina prove herself at 4CCs & Worlds. i assume they could have left Ashley off of the World team, which would have been fair.

    something i haven't read here, but thought while finally watching the ladies longs a couple of nights ago - Team Mirai did itself no favors with that CRAP long program. she could have 2 3/3s & all jumps fully rotated & clean & i still couldn't see her on the podium given the other top programs internationally. why Bond themes? why now? why for Mirai? on top of that, that friggin sniffing she does every 5 seconds distracts from any character she's attempting to portray (a Bond girl? or a teen who happens to have the sniffles playing dress up in her room?). Sandra kept going on & on about the amount of noticeable gaps in Mirai's LP & i couldn't disagree with her as much as i'd like to. the whole package feels very thrown together & i would imagine at least Frank would have been able to amp up her presentation skills & fill in the holes in that mess of a free skate. all this & i STILL would have her on the team. if it weren't for Mirai's program being so bad, i would spend more time wondering out loud why Ashley ended up with hers...~
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    OK, I'm revising my prediction on Polina's placement after reading an article that I can't find to link to now, darn it. Anyway, her mom, who is also her coach, is Russian and a former figure skater, Polina understands Russian and speaks it a little, and they have a lot of Russian relatives in the Sochi area. Not to mention that she is coached part time by Frank. So I'm going to predict that she has the best finish of the American women, but still won't make the podium unless YuNa, Mao, the Russians, and Costner all splat (which is actually highly possible with Mao and Carolina).

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    I really feel for Mirai this is a terrible and unjust decision. I think they should only use this rule if a big name/accomplished skater cannot compete or can't skate at their best because of injury or illness, but if you show up healthy and just can't deliver, sorry you shouldn't get to go. That would be like sending a football team to the superbowl even if they lost their playoff game just because "they have been so dominant in the past." Sorry it doesn't work that way in other sports and it shouldn't work that way in skating. This is the most cowardly decision the USFSA has made since stripping Tonya of her 1994 National title.
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    Here is something to chew on....rewind the clock to the 2002 Nationals. While it's history and 6.0, what do you think the 2002 Olympic team would have looked like if Michelle had placed 4th? Remember:

    1. Like Mirai, Michelle was coachless at the 2002 Nationals. Michelle had parted ways with her long-time coach, Frank Carroll, earlier in the season.
    2. Michelle was pretty successful in the Grand Prix series with a 1st place finish at Skate America, 3rd in Skate Canada, and 2nd in the Final.
    3. The finish at the 2002 Nationals, was Michelle 1, Sasha Cohen 2, Sarah Hughes 3, Angela Nikodinov 4, Jenny Kirk 5.

    Michelle skated lights out and won the competition so the USFSA had no choice in the matter. But had she let it slip though and messed up, and Angela or Jenny placed 3rd, would the US have named Kwan to the team, or left her off because a. she blew it, b. was coachless, c. for years, many in the US FS world really wanted Kwan to move over and make room for the "younger" skaters d. Michelle also had been to a prior Olympics (1998) and won the silver medal with a wonderful performance there.

    Or, would they have taken into consideration her international ranking and body of work (which was an ACTUAL body of work, by the way...)

    Food for thought....

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    Lol there's no way in hell Michelle was going to finish 4th at Nationals that year. You and I both know it
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    Quote Originally Posted by vive_la_reine View Post
    Here is something to chew on....rewind the clock to the 2002 Nationals. While it's history and 6.0, what do you think the 2002 Olympic team would have looked like if Michelle had placed 4th? Remember:

    1. Like Mirai, Michelle was coachless at the 2002 Nationals. Michelle had parted ways with her long-time coach, Frank Carroll, earlier in the season.
    2. Michelle was pretty successful in the Grand Prix series with a 1st place finish at Skate America, 3rd in Skate Canada, and 2nd in the Final.
    3. The finish at the 2002 Nationals, was Michelle 1, Sasha Cohen 2, Sarah Hughes 3, Angela Nikodinov 4, Jenny Kirk 5.

    Michelle skated lights out and won the competition so the USFSA had no choice in the matter. But had she let it slip though and messed up, and Angela or Jenny placed 3rd, would the US have named Kwan to the team, or left her off because a. she blew it, b. was coachless, c. for years, many in the US FS world really wanted Kwan to move over and make room for the "younger" skaters d. Michelle also had been to a prior Olympics (1998) and won the silver medal with a wonderful performance there.

    Or, would they have taken into consideration her international ranking and body of work (which was an ACTUAL body of work, by the way...)

    Food for thought....
    Also Michelle was the reigning World Champion at the time too

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