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Thread: Can anyone beat Plushenko and the Olympics?

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    Default Can anyone beat Plushenko and the Olympics?

    After Europeans, I think we are seeing a repeat of 2006. Plushenko is a lock for the gold, and everyone else fighting for silver and bronze. If Plushenko skates two clean programs with his quads, he is unbeatable. The only person who is talented enough to beat a clean Plushenko is Stephanie Lambiel. Lambiel is the most complete skater among the men. He has the athletic firepower of Plushenko, is the best spinner in the world, and has the artistry of Chan, Weir, and Takahashi. A clean Lysacek shouldn't beat a clean Plushenko and won't. Lambiels triple axel is his nemesis and can hurt him in the short program. Takahashi and Joubert are too inconsistent. Weir and Chan don't have the athletic firepower to beat him. This is Plushy's gold medal to lose, but if he falters big time, then I think Lysacek and Joubert are best positioned to win.

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    Yes, someone can beat him at the Olympics and will imho. Plush will settle for a bronze or silver.

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    I meant "at the Olympics" instead of "and the Olympics"

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    Nyet.

    I think the gold is his to lose. The rest will have to settle for the silver and bronze.

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    Plushenko makes me sick. He's too consistent and he'll probably win. He skates with flairs and as if he OWNS the ice, which he does. This guy can do QUADS like a duck can QUACK....

    Nevertheless, I hope Evan wins..
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    I think also it's his to lose.

    The only time that duck couldn't quack (at an important time) was 02 SP... but dude is so consistent with his quads.

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    Nope.

    The guy has the jumps. The rest of his program maybe nothing but "spirit fingers" but the man will likely win it yet again.

    Once upon a time, I actually liked him and wanted him to win (pre 2006). Now, not so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iceangelica View Post
    Plushenko makes me sick. He's too consistent and he'll probably win. He skates with flairs and as if he OWNS the ice, which he does. This guy can do QUADS like a duck can QUACK....

    Nevertheless, I hope Evan wins..
    Good lord, Evan is the last person I would want to win. I just don't like his style. Plushy, joubert, weir, chan, daisuke and oda, are all skaters I would prefer to win over Evan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iceangelica View Post
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    Nevertheless, I hope Evan wins..
    Yeah me too. I also would not mind Jeremy winning.

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    No one is unbeatable...

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    Quote Originally Posted by iceangelica View Post
    Plushenko makes me sick. He's too consistent and he'll probably win. He skates with flairs and as if he OWNS the ice, which he does. This guy can do QUADS like a duck can QUACK....

    Nevertheless, I hope Evan wins..
    Well, I never heard of a skater being too consistant. Should he dumb down? All the other guys have to do is "jump" up and take the gold from him (how bout Johnny?- lol). Plush already has one Oly gold so maybe he won't miss it. I'm a huge Plushencho fan. I think he'll take a 2nd Oly gold.

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    Well, I just spent some time reviewing the scores the top men have received this year, and don't think it's quite "in the bag" for Plushenko. I've arranged the scores the top men have earned this season only, from highest to lowest:

    Plushy -- Euros: 255.39, CoR: 240.65
    Evan -- GPF: 249.45, SA: 237.72, China: 232.17
    Oda -- GPF: 243.3, France: 242.53, China: 239.53
    Lambiel -- Euros: 238.54, Nebelhorn: 232.36
    Johnny -- GPF: 237.35, NHK: 217.70, Russia: 198.55
    Jeremy -- GPF: 235.38, Canada: 232.99, NHK: 208.45
    Joubert -- Euros: 236.45, NHK: 232.70, France: 207.39
    Takahashi -- Canada: 231.31, GPF: 224.60, NHK: 214.29
    Chan -- Canada: 198.77

    A lot of people believe that the scores at Europeans were inflated (myself included). Despite this, only six points separate Plushy and Evan's personal bests this season, which hardly makes Plushy unreachable. I also think it's interesting to note that Evan's personal best LP at the GPF had 7 triples, one 3A, and two 2A. This beat Plushy's CoR LP by a little over one point, even with Plushy's almighty quad (and I believe four triples, one 3A, and one 2A).

    I think that things have changed quite a bit since 2006. Remember when Jeffrey Buttle won worlds without a quad? The judges seem to be taking transitions, artistry, and "the whole package" into greater consideration -- things that Plushy lacks.

    Personally, I don't want Plushy to win again. Yes, he's a consistent powerhouse with great attack on his jumps and footwork, but his other elements are nowhere near as impressive. His attitude is atrocious, too, but unfortunately, that hasn't yet been factored into the scoring system.

    So while Plushy certainly has a very good chance of winning the gold, so does Evan, Oda, and potentially any one of these men. Anything can happen.

    I also gathered everyone's all time personal bests, just for kicks:

    Personal Bests:

    Takahashi -- 264.41 (08 4CC)
    Plushy -- 258.47 (06 Olympics)
    Evan -- 249.45 (09 GPF)
    Chan -- 249.19 (09 4CC)
    Oda -- 244.56 (06 NHK)
    Joubert -- 240.85 (07 Worlds
    Lambiel -- 239.10 (08 GPF)
    Jeremy -- 237.72 (09 GPF)
    Johnny -- 237.35 (09 GPF)

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    well, Plush did pop a jump at Europeans, so he is not immune from making jump mistakes. Confidence is good, but sometimes overconfidence can lead to one's downfall.

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    I'd rather see anyone other than Plushy win and that includes the guy driving the zamboni.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carrington1985 View Post
    Good lord, Evan is the last person I would want to win. I just don't like his style. Plushy, joubert, weir, chan, daisuke and oda, are all skaters I would prefer to win over Evan.
    I agree. I just don't enjoy his skating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by missmarysgarden View Post
    I agree. I just don't enjoy his skating.
    Whose Evan's or Plushy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carrington1985 View Post
    Good lord, Evan is the last person I would want to win. I just don't like his style. Plushy, joubert, weir, chan, daisuke and oda, are all skaters I would prefer to win over Evan.
    Or Jeremy. In my opinion, Evan has no chance of winning unless several skaters have major meltdowns--Plush, Oda, Dai, Joubert, Lambiel, Jeremy. Maybe even Johnny. Assuming that not everyone will skate perfectly, Evan has a shot at a medal. But for gold, my money is on Plush.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kittyjake5 View Post
    Whose Evan's or Plushy?
    Actually, I don't enjoy either of them. But when Plushy was a 16 year old, I saw him live, and he was refreshingly exuberant, and an astonishing jumper. It doesn't sit as well on him now.

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    Oda, Chan, Lysachek, Takahashi all have the possibility of beating Plushenko and all have scored comparably to his scores at Europeans. Notably, all have strong basic skating skills, difficult and complex choreography. All will need to land everything they attempt, and I do mean everything, in order to beat Plushenko.

    Abbott doesn't have strong enough basic skating. His LP at US Nationals notwithstanding, he has never scored over 160 points internationally and that's what's needed to be a contender for the OGM. He lacks the speed and command of the ice that the top skaters have. IMO, Jeremy Abbott can only win if EVERYBODY else skates very poorly.

    Please note that in the LP at Skate Canada, Abbott with a quad, was beaten by Takahashi who didn't even attempt a quad. Abbot won the gold at SC by virtue of his lead after the SP. 153 points (which is what Jeremy scored at SC) is not enough for the gold in Vancouver. Abbott's lack of power and command of the ice is why his PCS scores drop like a stone when he misses his jumps.

    I like Abbott a lot, but he's not really a top contender, unless everyone else has a meltdown. There are too many men capable of scoring 160+ points to realistically think this is going to happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zins View Post
    I'd rather see anyone other than Plushy win and that includes the guy driving the zamboni.
    Ha ha!!! I totally agree with you. Let's start a thread for the zamboni guy and see if we can't get something started.

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    Quote Originally Posted by missmarysgarden View Post
    I agree. I just don't enjoy his skating.
    I like Evan but can he change his hair? It looks so much better when it is not slicked back. His hair makes him look hard. IMHO. This look i much cuter.


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    ^ Oh God, I like Evan a lot as a person, especially since he has said so many wonderful things about Michelle, but he is so not cute.

    His skating leaves a bit to be desired, but I would love him to win the OGM for two reasons: 1) I want Frank Carroll to win. He got cheated with Linda F and he has it coming. It should have been with Michelle, but since that is not going to happen, I would like it to happen for him. and 2) because it would piss so many people off.

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    If I remember correctly from the last Olympics, Plushy didn't really have a program as such, all he did was go around the rink jumping. Figure skating isn't supposed to be a jumping contest, it should be about the music, the moves that went with the music, and well you know, ice skating should be like Michelle - need I say more? So I hope Plushy doesn't win unless he has the whole ball of wax. I personally hope Evan wins and while I agree about the slicked back hair, I still think he is a good skater and tries to do a real program. Go Evan!

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    If Even could just control his arms. He looks like a human windmill. I know Johnny won't win but I would love to see it happen. He is so much more enjoyable to watch than Even or Plushy. jmo

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    I understand why so many are not rooting for him to win, but I still think Plushy deserves a lot of credit. Look, any of the other guys can beat him, but they don't lay down the jumps and execute error free programs. Plushy does. What I'm hearing now sounds almost exactly like a variation of what I used to hear about people who didn't like Michelle. We wonder how Michelle could go out there again and again and execute error-free programs to walk away with the gold. We see sooo many skaters who can't do it. Why doesn't any one ever wonder how Plushenko can go out there again and again and execute error-free programs. Although he may look like a feelingless skating machine, he's not a machine. The same mental toughness and hard work and everything that made Michelle the Kween is the same stuff that made Plushenko unbeatable. And frankly, all the other competitors should be ashamed of themselves for not even being able to challenge him. The guys' OLD in figure skating age. They can beat him. They just have to get the quad down and then do things error free. If they can't beat this old war horse, then they have themselves to blame. I won't support hoping Plushy loses or that he steps aside so that some younger charismatic skater more lovable will get the gold, just as what some people used to wish on Michelle.

    Personally, Lambiel is my favorite of the bunch now and I will be rooting for him. But if he wins he ought to earn it by beating Plushenko, not be cause I'm sick Plushenko, or I don't like Plushenko's programs, or whatever.

    And it is not true that Plushy's last Olympic programs were nothing but jumps. Yes they were atrocious choreography pieces, totally lacking in any artistic or even entertainment value, but he exhibited a lot of great skating skills and I thought his footworks and edge controls were absolutely fabulous. Plus it is a mountainous task to skate clean at the Olympics so my hats off to him for that.
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