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    Question Comment by Sandra and Scott

    Did anyone hear the comments made by Sandra and Scott after Sasha's skate which was something to the effect of, "well, you can't expect to just come into Nationals and have it end in a fairy tale ending when you haven't skated all season." Ummm, yes you can...when you are MICHELLE KWAN!!! How they fail to give credit to Michelle who, in fact, skated several times at Nationals for the first time during a skating season - and not only turned in a perfect performance but WON! LONG LIVE THE KWEEN!!!!!

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    Kwan is kinda the exception....

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    IIRC, Michelle did her LPs at cheesefests when she didn't do the GP, so she wasn't performing them for the first time at Nats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by attyfan View Post
    IIRC, Michelle did her LPs at cheesefests when she didn't do the GP, so she wasn't performing them for the first time at Nats.
    True, but, she never performed her Spartacus SP until the 2005 Nationals and she was brilliant.

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    I kind of took it as them saying SASHA couldn't expect to show up at only Nationals and expect a fairy tale ending. Also, she's been out of competition for 3+ years. If Michelle was making a comeback this year, and had been unable to skate in the GP events, I would have been worried for her, too. But since this is Sasha and not Michelle, it makes it all that much more obvious.

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    Hmmmm...I can't think of what she competed or performed in prior to the 2004 and 2005 national championships which she won...?

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    After reading all about Sasha's (couldn't bear to watch her,lol) usual LP shortcomings , my admiration for Michelle just gained another few points on the scale. I truly believe her attempt at another Nat's was genuine. Her Carmen Burana was SP ready--it was so apparent she had been training hard for that possibility. There is no doubt in my mind that she was was training the LP as equally hard. But, for reasons that are pure Michelle she decided the comeback was not going to happen. Unlike Sasha Michelle has a strong work ethic. She would have shown up at Spokwan ready to fling the gauntlet down--she would have shown up at practices and done complete run-throughs, not wasting a minute of her time. Ah well, she has always said it wasn't the medals (although I'm sure she has loved having them) it was the journey and her love and passion for the sport she has devoted her life to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by patsue View Post
    After reading all about Sasha's (couldn't bear to watch her,lol) usual LP shortcomings , my admiration for Michelle just gained another few points on the scale. I truly believe her attempt at another Nat's was genuine. Her Carmen Burana was SP ready--it was so apparent she had been training hard for that possibility. There is no doubt in my mind that she was was training the LP as equally hard. But, for reasons that are pure Michelle she decided the comeback was not going to happen. Unlike Sasha Michelle has a strong work ethic. She would have shown up at Spokwan ready to fling the gauntlet down--she would have shown up at practices and done complete run-throughs, not wasting a minute of her time. Ah well, she has always said it wasn't the medals (although I'm sure she has loved having them) it was the journey and her love and passion for the sport she has devoted her life to.
    Nice post.

    I was fortunate enough to attend 2 Nationals when Michelle was competing: 2002 and 2005. Just watching her practice was worth the price of admission (even though my very costly seats were lousy with a partially blocked view).

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    I just don't get Scott's commentary regarding Sasha. He said the "jumps were there." Where? 2-footed, wrong edges, falls? Sorry...the jumps aren't there if you can't take off and land them properly. Sasha's jumping skills have steadily declined. She's done nothing to prove she could handle the pressure of another Olympic bid. I think the time is over for making excuses and waiting for her to pull it all together. I don't believe she has the ability to skate a strong LP in a majorly important competition. Otherwise, she would have by now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GinnySmith View Post
    True, but, she never performed her Spartacus SP until the 2005 Nationals and she was brilliant.
    Agreed. However, Sasha's SP -- also not performed until Nats -- was also pretty good. There may well be a big difference between doing a great SP the first time out and doing a great FS with no prior performances.

    Of course, it may also be a mental difference. As the streaker incident proved, Michelle can focus! Sasha, IMO, is a different story.

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    I feel like I've just been handed a big new workload. In addition to our requirement to take offense every time MK is mentioned in public, now in addition, we have to take offense every time she is not? Where am I going to find the time? I don't think the commentators mentioned her once during the Euros broadcast. I feel overworked!

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    BG--

    Quote Originally Posted by attyfan View Post
    Agreed. However, Sasha's SP -- also not performed until Nats -- was also pretty good. There may well be a big difference between doing a great SP the first time out and doing a great FS with no prior performances.

    Of course, it may also be a mental difference. As the streaker incident proved, Michelle can focus! Sasha, IMO, is a different story.
    IMO, Sasha's SP in no way came close to Michelle's 2005 Spartacus, which was in a different universe all together:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kwr4z...eature=related

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    I may just be naive, but I thought the reason for the new scoring system was to eliminate bias .. personally, I think Sasha's placement after the SP was an absolute indication of bias. Scott pointed out that she under-rotated a jump and two-footed the landing .. to me, it looked as if the judges were positioning Sasha to make the podium. He also mentioned she had never put two clean programs together -- had never skated a clean LP. This surprised me because I thought she had skated a clean LP in the past. The LP showed that she really wasn't ready to compete at the level of today's skaters. Yes, her extentions were glorious, her style is incomparable and her performance component was wonderful, but her technical skill level was definitely lacking. And it was sad.

    During the SP, I kept thinking Michelle could have left them all in the dust with one hand tied behind her back ... she could, if SHE really wanted it. There's the rub --- Michelle didn't want it to compete anymore while Sasha did. Sasha's problem was that she wasn't properly prepared, whether due to injury or ego, she just didn't have enough training. Solid training usually trumps nerves, and nerves played a big part in derailing Sasha's LP -- she was just too "tight." And she front-loaded her program leaving no room to pick up the extra technical points given for jumps during the second-half of the program. That may have been a big tactical error -- it showed a disregard for the new scoring system.

    Michelle's performance in South Korea was truly beautiful - she skated for the fun of it - to be back before an audience - and you could see the total joy in her face. What you didn't see was the competitive fire. If a return to competition had been her goal, Michelle would have been at Nationals. She wasn't there. Sasha may have had the desire, but desire alone wasn't enough to place her on the podium.

    I truly hope in the future we will see Michelle skate at an exhibition or perhaps have a network special, but if I didn't believe it before -- I do now -- Michelle Kwan, the competitive skater, has retired in her heart ... and now, finally, in mine.

    So now it's time to go forward and wish the new kids on the ice the very best at the Olympics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by berthesghost View Post
    I feel like I've just been handed a big new workload. In addition to our requirement to take offense every time MK is mentioned in public, now in addition, we have to take offense every time she is not? Where am I going to find the time? I don't think the commentators mentioned her once during the Euros broadcast. I feel overworked!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stumble Bunny View Post
    I truly hope in the future we will see Michelle skate at an exhibition or perhaps have a network special, but if I didn't believe it before -- I do now -- Michelle Kwan, the competitive skater, has retired in her heart ... and now, finally, in mine.

    So now it's time to go forward and wish the new kids on the ice the very best at the Olympics.
    Great post! I, for one, *love* Michelle's new role. I know I wanted her to compete forever, and at least until she got the elusive OGM, but realistically, it couldn't happen. Still, she is the legend she wanted to be, and now the role model, on and off the ice, for every single young skater who steps onto the ice. I love it when the new skaters say they idolize her. And I love that she has shown that there is no time to just rest on her laurels. As soon as she was done skating, she went straight to college, still on crutches, and kept on going. I believe she would have done this, OGM or not, and it makes me soooo proud to be a Michelle Kwan fan.

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    Actually, for me the saddest thing about Nationals was presentation of the OGM winners that Michelle could not be included with for obvious reasons.

    Events like this are the only times really bothers me that she did not win one.

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    My sentiments, exactly, Billob. I always get so sad at these type of events, knowing that the skater who most deserved Olympic Gold isn't out there with the other reigning Olympic Gold medalists.

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    Michelle may not have been one of the olg winners presented but when they run the promo for the games, they show her face when they said "champions". I think they are acknowledging her worth and place in history.

    I also think that we should move on and I feel that the strength of Rachel and Mariu is what we need at this time with only two skaters eligible and the oher skaters falling apart, like Sasha and Wagner. Let's root for the team and send good vibes out to Rachel and Mariu. Michelle is not competing and has moved on. Sandra and Scott were not kind to Rachel Flatt. All they could say was she was a competitor. Remember she is the only one who had beaten Yu Na in the long program. So, she is to be considered a contender because of her strength, technique and competitive edge and refreshing apple cheeked American-girl quality.

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    personally, I think Sasha's placement after the SP was an absolute indication of bias.
    Exactly. I strongly believe Sasha would have been on the team if her LP mistakes were not obvious to the casual fan and commentators (i.e. under rotations and slight two foots rather than falls and step-outs). The judges were willing to look the other way for the SP, so I really believe Sasha lost her Olympic bid with the fall. It seems the judges were willing to give her the benefit of doubt. I wish they would have extended the same courtesy to Mirai.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BatonKwan View Post
    Exactly. I strongly believe Sasha would have been on the team if her LP mistakes were not obvious to the casual fan and commentators (i.e. under rotations and slight two foots rather than falls and step-outs). The judges were willing to look the other way for the SP, so I really believe Sasha lost her Olympic bid with the fall. It seems the judges were willing to give her the benefit of doubt. I wish they would have extended the same courtesy to Mirai.
    I believe it is because they felt that a former Olympic Silver medalist would make a stronger competitor against the field of really strong skaters on the international scene instead of the three teenagers. I think Sasha should have competed in other events before going to Nationals. That is the different between her and Michelle...Michelle knew she could not do the events and get her education and was not go risk her reputation trying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BatonKwan View Post
    I wish they would have extended the same courtesy to Mirai.
    Actually, I think they gave her some really good criticism -- if she is having problems with her jumps, now is the time to fix it ... there is still time before the Olympics.

    I agree she was severely marked down, but these competitions are all learning experiences for the younger skaters and something positive did come from this ... beside a place on the podium.

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    I feel really good about Mirai. I'm very hopeful for her, even for a decent showing at the remainder of this year's competitions. Two of her three downgrades were for the same jump - the 3 toe loop. That's a good thing. The other was for her second lutz. It's not as if she has many different jumps to work out - the toe loop, obviously - and keeping the second lutz clean. That's not so bad at all. I'm sure Frank knows how to train her for that. It's a matter of how quickly she can learn. If not this year, then next, but I feel certain she will get them right, and then, watch out world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GinnySmith View Post
    BG--

    IMO, Sasha's SP in no way came close to Michelle's 2005 Spartacus, which was in a different universe all together:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kwr4z...eature=related
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    Watching Michelle practice at 3 different nationals created lifelong memories that are priceless. Sharing these experiences with folks I met on this forum I will cherish forever too!

    I was fortunate to see Michelle debut Spartacus at practice and I was awestruck and was reminded why Imakwanfan forever!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Builder7 View Post
    Michelle may not have been one of the olg winners presented but when they run the promo for the games, they show her face when they said "champions". I think they are acknowledging her worth and place in history.

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    I noticed that as well.they actually show her and kimmie (on at least one version,i am not sure if that is the only one or not) but it did make me feel good, and if memory serves, when they say the word champion is when they show her!
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    My favorite comments were when they REPEATEDLY said that this was the first Nationals where Sasha had the spotlight to herself and was out of Michelle's shadow and blah, blah, blah. That Michelle automatically came to their, and probably everyone else's mind, when they talked about Sasha shows that she will *never* be out of Michelle's shadow.

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