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    Quote Originally Posted by jenaj View Post
    I wish there were three spots for the ladies and that Michelle had come back. If Sasha can score that high with a flawed combo and an average double axel, imagine what Michelle could have done with her Carmina Burana, fully realized.
    She woulda blown the competition away imho....and shoulda gotten 9's in PCS. Of course I am biased, this is the MKF after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Podkopayeva View Post
    And neither did Ashley.

    You guys can't harp on Sasha for something like that, and not harp on any other skaters contending for a spot as well who do the exact same thing.

    They both should have gotten that call, I'm kind of surprised Mirai did? It was the best lutz combination of the competition to me!
    Actually, we can if we want to. Ashley even if 4th is far behind, so I didn't even read her protocols to nitpick YET!

    I just now saw Mirai's and Rachel's SP. Mirai was soooo the best, the scores being so close boggles me. Sasha being ahead of Rachael, with a 2-footed landing on a bad edge take-off also makes me . It's what I expect from the US judges, but it's not what's deserved. That being said, Sash'a "performance" qualities are excellent, BUTT this is not a show. It's a competition.
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    Every Party Has a Pooper - That's why I am here. I must say I am completely baffled with the double-standard that our media uses for Sasha versus Michelle. Michelle was 19 years old when the calls started for her to step aside and make room for the younger skaters and "give them a chance". In addition, many were not supportive of Michelle's bid for the "by" to the 2006 Olympics and some people were down right nasty about it, even though Michelle competed in the 2005 Worlds and help secure Oly 3 slots.

    Sasha on the other hand is being treated like skating royalty. I have yet to read or hear any objections over her waltzing in after contributing absolutely nothing to US Figure Skating over the last 4 years, while all of the other ladies have skated their hearts out and skated well enough to hang onto 2 slots for the 2010 Olympics. Had Sasha competed at Worlds last year, we would probably have 3 slots. So now she gets to show up and snatch one of the 2 coveted spots from the other ladies with nary an objection from the press? Give me a freakin' break!

    So I am here to do what the media isn't doing to Sasha that they did to Michelle in 2006: Giving Sasha a hard time for potentially taking a slot away from a lady (whoever is 3rd) who has been on the scene and working hard and showing up to key events.

    Believe me, if Michelle had decided to compete, while some would have been supportive, there would have been at least one article ripping her to pieces for all of the things I mentioned above about Sasha. I have my suspicions as to why this double standard exists. Perhaps one day I will voice it in the Political Section because it is way too controversial to voice here.

    As for me, but I just can't stand to watch and I'm not. The most I can stomach is to read reports here because they are fun and entertaining. For me, a Nationals with Sasha/Tara in the spotlight is my worst nightmare and there isn't enough syrup of ipecac to make me hurl as much as I would need to hurl. If I sound bitter, I am. Michelle never got the complete respect she deserved and as far as I am concerned, these 2 are getting respect they don't deserve.

    End of Rant!

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    Well I wish Sasha well. After all the incredibly nasty things said about her on the net through the years, she deserves a little "take that, skate fans" moment.

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    A little, very little.

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    So I am here to do what the media isn't doing to Sasha that they did to Michelle in 2006: Giving Sasha a hard time for potentially taking a slot away from a lady (whoever is 3rd) who has been on the scene and working hard and showing up to key events.

    Believe me, if Michelle had decided to compete, while some would have been supportive, there would have been at least one article ripping her to pieces for all of the things I mentioned above about Sasha. I have my suspicions as to why this double standard exists. Perhaps one day I will voice it in the Political Section because it is way too controversial to voice here.
    I think there was a lot of doubt about Sasha - a lot more doubt than confidence, actually, including in the press - before she skated last night. Had she fallen apart, I think she would have been grilled. In the end, she skated well. There were definitely a couple of questionable calls, especially on the jumps, but she stood up, and overall her quality of skating really is top 3 worthy, IMO. So I hold the opposite opinion: I think, had Michelle skated as well, people would have been even more elated. The US press, like everyone else, seems to be looking for a superstar, and they've pointed out everyone's weaknesses (Mirai: work ethic, Rachel: spark, Alyssa: consistency, Ashley: lack of winning anything, ever, Caroline: technique and desire). I think if Michelle had come back and skated even her Spartacus SP (with a few adjustments for the current COP, of course) I think the media would be heralding a saviour. I know I would be!

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    What GinnySmith said......

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    After watching the videos, im glad Mirai into first. Mirai 's program is much better than Sasha..Sasha's program looked like every other programs and very structured. I think the only thing she did better than Mirai is the catch foot spin at the end.

    I think the team would be Flatt and Sasha..even though i want it to be Flatt and Mirai but i think its too good to be true. (hope im wrong)

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    [QUOTE=teacher1;371354]I am sooo glad that Mirai is in first. Hopefully she can hold on in the long. Definitely the best skate of the evening. Nice to see her smiling again.

    Rachel - I really hope she and Mirai make the Olympic team. Rachel deserves one of the spots because she held it together at Worlds
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    Sasha-As usual great sp skater. I hope she doesn't get held up in the long if she doesn't deliver. Let's face it, she is only here to go to the Olympics. If she really missed competing she would have been back sooner. She should have come back last year lack Todd Eldridge did to help secure 3 spots if she wanted one of them.

    Ashley-I don't see the hype. I liked her better when she was bouncing her ponytail around. Tara's gushing reminded me of Peggy Flemmings over Sarah. I just don't care for her skating. Maybe it's her cocky personality that it tainting it. I don't know.


    Christina Goa (sp)-Brian's girl-Can't wait to she where she goes. He seems to know how to bring out the artistry in his skaters.

    Emily-Still thinks she is going to the Olympics? If she gets her head any lower to the ice in her spiral she is going to lick it. I read somewhere she is in the best shape ever, but I don't see it.

    Laney Diggs-Placed low, but I love her spunk. She shows she really enjoys skating. My husband met her and her mom when she was a novice and her skating matches her personality from the way he described her.

    Bebe and Caroline-Will they ever meet there potential. Love them, but I'm still waiting for them to put it out there.

    Alyssa-I'm glad she wasn't over marked like last year.

    Obseravtion/question-Did it ever "rain Teddy Bears" for anyone. It didn't seem like the crowd was overjoyed about anyone's skate. I was only watching IN and started to fall asleep so maybe I'm wrong.

    Tara-Good commentating. I wonder how she would critic herself in the day when she is talking about high kicks and edges. She was talking about skate order and how skating later can be an advantage. She knows that first hand now doesn't she??[/QUOTE]


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    Quote Originally Posted by GinnySmith View Post
    Every Party Has a Pooper - That's why I am here. I must say I am completely baffled with the double-standard that our media uses for Sasha versus Michelle. Michelle was 19 years old when the calls started for her to step aside and make room for the younger skaters and "give them a chance". In addition, many were not supportive of Michelle's bid for the "by" to the 2006 Olympics and some people were down right nasty about it, even though Michelle competed in the 2005 Worlds and help secure Oly 3 slots.

    Sasha on the other hand is being treated like skating royalty. I have yet to read or hear any objections over her waltzing in after contributing absolutely nothing to US Figure Skating over the last 4 years, while all of the other ladies have skated their hearts out and skated well enough to hang onto 2 slots for the 2010 Olympics. Had Sasha competed at Worlds last year, we would probably have 3 slots. So now she gets to show up and snatch one of the 2 coveted spots from the other ladies with nary an objection from the press? Give me a freakin' break!

    So I am here to do what the media isn't doing to Sasha that they did to Michelle in 2006: Giving Sasha a hard time for potentially taking a slot away from a lady (whoever is 3rd) who has been on the scene and working hard and showing up to key events.

    Believe me, if Michelle had decided to compete, while some would have been supportive, there would have been at least one article ripping her to pieces for all of the things I mentioned above about Sasha. I have my suspicions as to why this double standard exists. Perhaps one day I will voice it in the Political Section because it is way too controversial to voice here.

    As for me, but I just can't stand to watch and I'm not. The most I can stomach is to read reports here because they are fun and entertaining. For me, a Nationals with Sasha/Tara in the spotlight is my worst nightmare and there isn't enough syrup of ipecac to make me hurl as much as I would need to hurl. If I sound bitter, I am. Michelle never got the complete respect she deserved and as far as I am concerned, these 2 are getting respect they don't deserve.

    End of Rant!
    Very well said and I totally agree with you. I have always thought Michelle got the shaft
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    Quote Originally Posted by GinnySmith View Post
    Sasha on the other hand is being treated like skating royalty. I have yet to read or hear any objections over her waltzing in after contributing absolutely nothing to US Figure Skating over the last 4 years, while all of the other ladies have skated their hearts out and skated well enough to hang onto 2 slots for the 2010 Olympics. Had Sasha competed at Worlds last year, we would probably have 3 slots. So now she gets to show up and snatch one of the 2 coveted spots from the other ladies with nary an objection from the press? Give me a freakin' break!
    really?

    these poor ladies who've "skated their hearts out" over the past few seasons are the ones who lost the 3rd spot to begin with, so why is that Sasha's fault? because of Sasha & Michelle from '02 - '06 (we have Michelle to thank going back even further than that ;-), we ended up with several podium finishes every year leaving 1 spot for another hopeful every season to head to international majors. other than Kimmie that one time, no one has stepped up enough to safely secure 3 spots each year since.

    if this were Michelle we were discussing, you'd be the 1st to defend her "swooping in & taking". & out of pure fairness, Sasha has every right to compete. as does Emily & anyone else who qualified fairly. Sasha competed from '99 - '00, & then from '01 - '06. if it weren't for Michelle's longevity, we'd think that was pretty good for FS. after all, where are/were Tara & Sarah?

    i love our US ladies, i really do. so much potential & they're all young enough to stick around a bit. but they are by no means "soup" yet, as so many like to say & "deserve" no more special treatment that Sasha~
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    Ginny Smith...
    If i could have pressed the thank you button 3 times i would have...
    I am not trying to be unfair, etc. as i've said, i have liked sasha, in the past, but never as much as Michelle...BUT
    i agree...when MK was 17 and the gave her gold to tara (sorry, tongue in cheek, no offense, but..) and she said she might return. ppl were hounding her THEN, she even had to tell Bob Costas "I'll ONLY be21" Now there are reports saying that Rachael flatt may improve her ability to reah the audience because she is "only 17" or they are commenting on a skater being "only 16" hmm i remember 16 that is the age BETWEEN the 98 gold and silver oly medalists.

    While, it MAY be true that they would be heralding MK just as well (i hope so) there would be just as many going "she is too greedy, knocking those other ladies out of contention and she hasnt even been around for the last 4 years" i mean, Michelle got that flack at age 25 when she HAD been around securing spots for US. In fact, I remember someone saying that people on some talk radio show..after the 02 olympics when MK won bronze because they inflated others....(shut up kwanatic, dont finish that sentence! ) Anyway..they were saying Michelle was getting too old to skate and that she should step aside and let others get a chance before she ended up totally off the podium.
    whatever, she still would have been getting us 3 spots. IMHO.

    IF Sasha can do what she used to, and have the spark, and do so fairly then YEAH...great..represent! But watching her, again comparing past SP's...there wasnt the same spark. all the jumps in the front..then spins and positions, etc the latter half.

    One thing though, she doesnt have the pressure here that she used to, but then again, she really didnt quite have so much at the worlds in 06 either... sure there was IS, but there will be Yuna et al at oly's. Maybe it will still be less pressure b/c she hasnt been around it all in the past 4 yrs.
    i honestly wish her luck, but i want it to be fair so i can get excited about it.
    I think YEARS ago i posted, also complained to people outside of the net, that skating was becoming too much how many jumps rather than spark and personality.
    Rachael has the jumps but....Alissa has the grace but.... MK..whole package, she just didnt have the 3-3-3's or whatever they want.
    well, good luck..AGAIN to all the ladies. i would love a flawless night of skating by the entire top 10..and would LOVE to see them go out and WOW us with some competitive. attacking in-your-face-i-can-do-it performances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aaronts View Post
    really?

    these poor ladies who've "skated their hearts out" over the past few seasons are the ones who lost the 3rd spot to begin with, so why is that Sasha's fault?
    that's what I'd like to know. If Sasha messes up her LP everyone will be glad it seems, so they can crow like old birds on a wire. If she does well on her LP - the birds will be mad she took someone's spot. Squak away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by debbwin View Post
    She woulda blown the competition away imho....and shoulda gotten 9's in PCS. Of course I am biased, this is the MKF after all.
    Absolutely. Carmina Burana in Korea was so passionate and thrilling...Spokwan would have combusted... When she hits her spiral in Carmina Burana it's like...all is right in the world again.

    She's in a league of her own. I got very depressed last night missing her and her skating, and knowing in every corner of my heart that she would have crushed the competition and the building too...so I spent this morning watching some of her best performances...she's something else. If you're not an MK fan, or if you think MKF is biased or whatever...then go watch the old competition videos and see for yourself the reactions of skating legends like Dick Button.

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    Quote Originally Posted by missmarysgarden View Post
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    don't you mean Winter?

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    Well, I am disappointed in Sasha. US needed her help to secure three spots and she was not there. I dont think she deserves to go.

    Last, the US judges stinks, we should have sent Carol last year instead of Alyssa. We could have gotten three spots.

    Whatever the case, it's really hard for me. I actually want Flatt, Mirai and Sasha to go, but if I have to make a final decision, it will have to be Flatt and Mirai. Sasha has already won her silver at the last Olympic and she's not going to medal anymore at the Olympics.

    It's just crazy!! They WANT TO GO.... LET THEM BRING IT ON!!!
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    Justtt watched Mirai...love her footwork. She has grown up and so has her skating. Awesome jumps too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aaronts View Post
    really?

    these poor ladies who've "skated their hearts out" over the past few seasons are the ones who lost the 3rd spot to begin with, so why is that Sasha's fault?
    I still believe that had Caroline gone to Worlds last year, we would have gotten our 3 spots. Giving the title to Alyssa with a hugely flawed performance was what did us in.

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    Caroline hasn't exactly had a lot of international success either...

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    Yes, but she was a lot more consistent than Alyssa was last season. She would have place well enough to secure the 3 spots.

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    I don't really care which lady wins tomorrow night ~ my biggest hope for tomorrow is that who ever wins does it by going after it like the pairs and mens champions did.

    Polished and exciting or not I don't care - I just want to see attack all the way through.

    If I see that, then it will be a fun competition to watch.

    In the end, which ever 2 ladies go to the Olympics I know I will feel bad for the 3rd place lady. But I won't feel better wishing the 3rd place finisher had knocked out the 1st or 2nd place finisher.
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    This season just hasn't been the same without her.


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    I think the hypocrisy comes down to the differences in situation. MK got criticized for not stepping aside and "letting younger skaters have a chance" because it was a deep field with international potential, and she'd dominated for a long time. Sasha isn't being criticized because, while we have a lot of talent still, the past few years the younger group has essentially *had* their chance and floundered internationally. It's easy to talk about the grass being greener on the other side of the street *before* you've crossed the street and seen that, no, actually, it isn't. I'm glad Sasha's around; it's nice to see her, and it's good for the sport.

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    Nice video of Mirai on Univ. Sports:

    http://www.nbcolympics.com/video/***...+short+program

    Sasha and Rachel's SPs are also on there. Just saw Christina Gao & Ashley's as well.
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    Well, let catfight begin!!!!!
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    BECAUSE of MICHELLE KWAN Sasha, as well as other skaters who skated during MK's time, performed with the artistry element that they did. That's what is clearly missing in the new generation of top ladies skaters. There isn't anyone artistically competent to push the artistic element and bring it out of other skaters. Clearly the COP has much to blame, but still, under the COP artistry is still possible as was demonstrated with Sasha's performance during her SP.

    So, though I was never a fan of Sasha's, I did appreciate her moving performance last night for what it was, a reminder of the beauty in figure skating that was much apparent during MK's reign.
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