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    Default LGBT Rights Thread

    I thought this could be a thread to post news and views about LGBT rights, gay marriage, etc. (And maybe this thread can be moved in here?)

    86-year-old WWII vet on gay marriage: "what do you think I fought for in Omaha Beach?" (with video)

    The woman at my polling place asked me do I believe in equality for gay and lesbian people. I was pretty surprised to be asked a question like that. It made no sense to me. Finally I asked her: what do you think I fought for in Omaha Beach?

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    As I've always said, if you don't think it's a good idea, then don't go to the wedding and don't send a gift, but don't prevent other people from having the liberty to love a person of the same sex. I much prefer that gay people feel free to be out of the closet than to have them tapping their feet in some airport restroom. But hey, that's JMHO.

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    Last gubernatorial election in Texas (2006), Kinky Friedman ran as an independent. He is best known as an entertainer (band: Kinky Friedman and the Texas Jewboys) and a writer, but he is actually quite serious about politics. Kinda like Al Franken, or Jesse Ventura.

    This time around, he's running in the Democratic Primary, again for governor. From the Rs, we will be faced with either Rick Perry (two and a half term incumbent, tea bagger, refused stimulus then took the money, wants Texas to secede from the Union) or Kay Bailey Hutchison (Kay-Baby), sometimes a wee bit moderate, lately trying to position herself as conservative enough to be governor. ON our side, there are three announced fellers running: Tom Sheiffer, Hank Gilbert, and Kinky Friedman ("the Jewish Cowboy"). Kinky has instant name recognition, he sells good cigars, he's funny as hell, and totally irreverent. So I decided I need to give him a looksee.

    He came to town for a cigar event, sponsored by a local Jewish haberdasher. Then he wanted to meet some local Democrats. About forty'leven of them committed to be there, and five of us actually showed up. We had two hours with the candidate, to ask questions, question the answers, et cetera.

    Key ponts that I took away from the discussion (some was just rambling political BS):

    (County Chairman asked this one) What will he do for education? Give teachers a $3000 annual raise (which will still leave Texas below average, but it's a start); get rid of the state test (Texas Assessment of Knowledge and Skill, or TAKS Test); get the bureaucrats out of the classroom and let the teachers teach!

    (I asked this one on behalf of a lesbian friend of mine and her partner) How do you feel about same-sex marriage? He said, "I've always felt that gay people should have just as much right to be miserable as the rest of us!" And he went on to say that he can't understand why two people can live together in love for thirty years and then when one of them gets old and is dying in hospital, the other one can't visit because they are "not related." And he said, "Make this clear: I am talking about MARRIAGE. None of this "civil relationship" stuff, let them GET MARRIED. Why the hell not?"

    So, dear friends, I am supporting Kinky for Governor of Texas. I hope he wins. In a backwards place like Texas, his chances are limited, but there is no one else worth the effort.
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    Judge denies Prop. 8 backers delay on memos

    Same-sex marriage battle moves to Maine

    Cop Fights For Life After Homophobic Attack
    A trainee police officer is fighting for his life in hospital after being set upon by up to 20 thugs in a homophobic attack.

    Anti-discrimination adoption bill introduced
    Measure would penalize states with anti-gay laws

    U.S. Rep. Pete Stark (D-Calif.) on Oct. 15 introduced the Every Child Deserves a Family Act, which would restrict federal funds for states that discriminate in adoption or foster programs on the basis of marital status, sexual orientation or gender identity.

    Stark said in an interview that he introduced the legislation, H.R. 3827, in part because thousands of children each year "age out" of the child welfare system without finding homes.

    "We got 25,000 kids a year maturing out of the welfare system without permanent foster care or adoptive care, and the prospects of those children having a successful adult life are diminished greatly," he said. "These are kids who end up in the criminal justice system, or end up homeless."
    The legislation, Stark said, also would restrict funds for states where restrictions are put in place by agencies, individual social workers or judges, or where restrictions are part of the common law of the state.

    For states that don't comply with the law, federal officials could withhold from the states funds provided to them for child welfare services. The bill also calls for a Government Accountability Office study within five years to examine how states are complying with the new rules.
    Stark said in some circumstances, when children are orphaned, a state could deny giving them to a grandparent to be raised if the grandparent is gay. Such a case, Stark said, would carry discrimination "to its ridiculous extreme."

    Despite the purported benefits the legislation would bring, there are few voices in Congress supporting the bill. The legislation had no co-sponsors as of Monday.

    Still, the legislation has the backing of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. Drew Hammill, the speaker's spokesperson, said Pelosi shares the view of child welfare groups that children "should have the security of two fully sanctioned and legally recognized parents, whether those parents are of the same or opposite sex."
    Uganda MP urges death for gay sex
    A Ugandan MP has proposed creating an offence of "aggravated homosexuality" to be punishable by death.

    Ruling party MP David Bahati wants the death penalty for those having gay sex with disabled people, under-18s or when the accused is HIV-positive.

    Homosexual acts are already illegal, but the Anti-Homosexuality Bill proposes new offences and urges the toughening of existing penalties.
    The International Gay and Lesbian Human Rights Commission has urged the bill to be dismissed.

    They say it violates several international agreements Uganda has signed up to - as well as contradicting the country's own constitution.

    But John Otekat Emile, an independent MP, said he believed the bill had a "99% chance" of being passed.

    "Members of parliament are overwhelmingly supporting this bill because homosexuality is illegal in Uganda, and we have that clearly in the penal code," he told the BBC.
    It gets worse. More details

    Help prevent this law from passing

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    Scholastic Censors Myracle’s ‘Luv Ya Bunches’ from Book Fairs
    Don't expect to see Lauren Myracle’s new book Luv Ya Bunches (Abrams/Amulet, 2009) at Scholastic school book fairs this year. It’s been censored—at least for now—due to its language and homosexual content.

    Luv Ya Bunches, about four elementary school girls who have little in common, but bond over the fact that they’re all named after flowers, is the first installment of a four-book series. But Scholastic says the book, released on October 1, failed to meet its vetting process because it contains offensive language and same-sex parents of one of the main characters, Milla.

    The company sent a letter to Myracle's editor asking the author to omit certain words such as "geez," "crap," "sucks," and "God" (as in, "oh my God") and to alter its plotline to include a heterosexual couple. Myracle agreed to get rid of the offensive language "with the goal—as always—of making the book as available to as many readers as possible," but the deal breaker was changing Milla's two moms.

    "A child having same-sex parents is not offensive, in my mind, and shouldn't be 'cleaned up.'" says Myracle, adding that the book fair subsequently decided not to take on Luv Ya Bunches because they wanted to avoid letters of complaint from parents. "I find that appalling. I understand why they would want to avoid complaint letters—no one likes getting hated on—but shouldn't they be willing to evaluate the quality of the complaint? What, exactly, are children being protected against here?"
    Golden Girl Bea Arthur leaves $300,000 to gay youth shelter
    Bea Arthur, the former Golden Girls star who died earlier this year, has left $300,000 to a shelter for gay homeless teenagers.

    For years, she had been a generous benefactor to the Ali Forney Centre, which is a New York-based homeless LGBT charity.

    Four years ago, the Tony Award-winning actress flew to New York for a benefit performance for the centre, raising more than $40,000. She told Next magazine the centre was saving lives.

    The charity announced in August it would purchase a building with space for 12 teenagers and name it after her.
    Transgender homecoming queen a first for College
    Jessee Vasold ’11 made history at the College of William and Mary Wednesday when ze was announced as the school’s first transgender homecoming queen, representing the Class of 2011.

    Vasold identifies as gender-queer and prefers to be referred to with gender neutral pronouns: “ze” in place of he or she and “zir” rather than him or her. Vasold has also created a Facebook account for a female identity, Kathy Middlesex.

    Friends suggested that Vasold run for homecoming queen. Even though Vasold thought that there was a good chance at being elected, Vasold said the win was still surprising to hear.

    “We figured it would be something different for the school to go through, something that hasn’t happened too often,” Vasold said. “I was kind of surprised that I won because I knew the other girls running. I know that they’re really friendly; they’re wonderful people, so I was unsure.”

    This year marks the return of direct voting by students. Last year, there was no platform to host voting, so the homecoming kings and queens were chosen by class officers out of student-submitted nominations.

    The alumni website was used this year to choose the homecoming court. The alumni office had no oversight over the nominations for the court, which was a purely student initiative.

    “I thought it was much better done this year because students actually could vote for who they wanted instead of having five or six class officers select who they think should be the winner,” Junior Class President Mike Tsidulko said.

    According to Tsidulko, there is no rule against men or women running for opposite roles. Students who made nominations were simply asked to describe how the candidate exemplified Tribe pride.
    Hells yeah! I had never heard of "ze" and "zir" before. I will have to remember that.

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    Cases against gay marriage don't hold up
    As for the arguments against same-sex marriage posed at the hearings, they ranged from the unsupported (gay parents can't raise children) to the laughable (animals aren't gay, so people shouldn't be).

    The testimony highlighted the extent to which the opponents, although sincere, are committed to a dreary cause: intolerance. Their underlying message is that the government shouldn't permit same-sex marriage, because it would serve as a public affirmation that homosexuality is acceptable.

    Although many opponents make a point of saying that they and God love homosexuals as people, they make it clear that they think same-sex love is immoral and should not be officially condoned. Many also insist, against extensive evidence, that any gay person could decide to be straight.

    "Once you became a homosexual, you gave up your rights," Leroy Swailes told the D.C. Board of Elections and Ethics. He is the founder of Tears for Children, whose Web site says it's a Maryland nonprofit group that opposes gay activists on children's issues. He wore a T-shirt saying "Lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender morals are worse than animals."

    Janet Boynes, who testified that she was a lesbian for 14 years before repenting and founding a ministry to convert others to heterosexuality, said, "They chose to go into it, and they have to decide they want to go out."
    The Rev. Walter E. Fauntroy, the District's first delegate to Congress, was probably the most prestigious person who testified against same-sex marriage. He spoke at the election board hearing about what he sees as the importance of allowing a vote; afterward I asked him about the substance of the issue.

    Fauntroy said that same-sex marriage threatens children. "Every child needs to be bonded to a man and a woman," he said. That ignores research showing that same-sex couples do a perfectly good job of raising children. Also, same-sex couples can already adopt in the District.

    Fauntroy also said the "survival of the species" is at stake. "I have some brilliant friends who are gay, and it bothers me that they're not going to pass those genes on," he said.
    Hospital Forces Lesbian to Die Alone; Judge Gives Stamp of Approval

    If this kind of thing is what God wants, then I want none of him.

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    UN report recognizes transgender people, freaks out binary gender defenders

    Anti-LGBT parents calling schools to cancel Harvey Milk Day
    Randy Thomasson’s anti-LGBT extremist group is losing it over Harvey Milk Day. In an attempt to hijack curricula and force their own agenda through our public schools, they are urging their followers to call local schools and school boards and demanding they erase Harvey Milk Day from the school calendar.

    When hate-mongers target and demonize LGBT students in our public schools, these youth have nowhere else to go. They are legally required to be there. Shouldn’t we make sure our schools are safe and affirming for ALL students?

    Well, we have phones, too.

    Let’s speak up for our families. Take a page from the homophobe’s playbook and find your local schools and board of education. Or call your alma mater and use your alumni influence. Tell them that you support Harvey Milk Day, passed into law by our democratically elected state government, and that you don’t want our schools to skimp on important state history.

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    RI gov vetoes same-sex funeral planning rights
    Gov. Don Carcieri vetoed legislation Tuesday that would give same-sex couples in Rhode Island the same right to plan the funerals of their late partners as married couples.

    The socially conservative Republican said the proposed protection represents a "disturbing trend" of the incremental erosion of heterosexual marriage. Rhode Island does not recognize same-sex marriage.

    "If the General Assembly believes it would like to address the issue of domestic partnership, it should place the issue on the ballot and let the people of the State of Rhode Island decide," Carcieri said in a letter to lawmakers.
    Seriously? Let me guess, he's protecting the sanctity of funerals.

    Sen. Rhoda Perry and Rep. David Segal, the bill sponsors, said they would seek to override the veto. They proposed the legislation after one of their constituents was unable to retrieve the body of his late partner from the state medical examiner for weeks because they weren't married or next-of-kin.
    The proposed funeral planning rights would apply to same-sex couples who have had a relationship for at least one year and pass other tests, such as owning property together. Carcieri said some of the guidelines were vague.
    This is what opponents of same-sex marriage want to protect:
    A cancer diagnosis can strain any relationship. But when a woman gets news of a life-threatening illness, her husband is six times more likely to leave her than if the tables were turned and the man got the bad news, according to new research.

    The study included diagnoses of both cancer and multiple sclerosis and found an overall divorce rate of nearly 12 percent, which is similar to that found in the normal population.

    But when the researchers looked at gender differences, they found the rate was nearly 21 percent when women were the patients compared with about 3 percent when men got the life-threatening diagnosis.

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    Catholic Church gives D.C. ultimatum
    The Catholic Archdiocese of Washington said Wednesday that it will be unable to continue the social service programs it runs for the District if the city doesn't change a proposed same-sex marriage law, a threat that could affect tens of thousands of people the church helps with adoption, homelessness and health care.
    How Christ-like.

    DADT Likely to Be Part of Defense Bill
    Repealing “don’t ask, don’t tell” will likely be included as part of next year’s Department of Defense authorization bill in both chambers of Congress, Congressman Barney Frank, a Massachusetts Democrat, said Wednesday.
    A.M.A. Backs Gay-Rights Issues
    The American Medical Association voted to oppose the military’s “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy, and declared that same-sex marriage bans contribute to health disparities. The association stopped short of saying it would seek to overturn marriage bans. Doctors who pushed the group to oppose “don’t ask, don’t tell” say the policy forcing gay service members to keep their sexual orientation secret has “a chilling effect” on open communication between them and their doctors. The health disparities policy is based on evidence showing that married couples are more likely to have health insurance.

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    10-year-old won't pledge allegiance to country that discriminates against gays
    Will's family has a number of gay friends. In recent years, Laura Phillips said, they've been trying to be a straight ally to the gay community, going to the pride parades and standing up for the rights of their gay and lesbian neighbors. They've been especially dismayed by the effort to take away the rights of homosexuals – the right to marry, and the right to adopt. Given that, Will immediately saw a problem with the pledge of allegiance.

    “I've always tried to analyze things because I want to be lawyer,” Will said. “I really don't feel that there's currently liberty and justice for all.”

    After asking his parents whether it was against the law not to stand for the pledge, Will decided to do something. On Monday, Oct. 5, when the other kids in his class stood up to recite the pledge of allegiance, he remained sitting down. The class had a substitute teacher that week, a retired educator from the district, who knew Will's mother and grandmother. Though the substitute tried to make him stand up, he respectfully refused. He did it again the next day, and the next day. Each day, the substitute got a little more cross with him. On Thursday, it finally came to a head. The teacher, Will said, told him that she knew his mother and grandmother, and they would want him to stand and say the pledge.

    “She got a lot more angry and raised her voice and brought my mom and my grandma up,” Will said. “I was fuming and was too furious to really pay attention to what she was saying. After a few minutes, I said, ‘With all due respect, ma'am, you can go jump off a bridge.' ”
    Meanwhile, Will Phillips still refuses to stand during the pledge of allegiance. Though many of his friends at school have told him they support his decision, those who don't have been unkind, and louder.

    “They [the kids who don't support him] are much more crazy, and out of control and vocal about it than supporters are.”

    Given that his protest is over the rights of gays and lesbians, the taunts have taken a predictable bent. “In the lunchroom and in the hallway, they've been making comments and doing pranks, and calling me gay,” he said. “It's always the same people, walking up and calling me a gaywad.”

    Even so, Will said that he can't foresee anything in the near future that will make him stand for the pledge. To help him deal with the peer pressure, his parents have printed off posts in his support on blogs and websites. “We've told him that people here might not support you, but we've shown him there are people all over that support you,” Phillips said. “It's really frustrating to him that people are being so immature.”

    At the end of our interview, I ask young Will a question that might be a civics test nightmare for your average 10-year-old. Will's answer, though, is good enough — simple enough, true enough — to give me a little rush of goose pimples. What does being an American mean?

    “Freedom of speech,” Will says, without even stopping to think. “The freedom to disagree. That's what I think pretty much being an American represents.”

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    Thanks for posting these...helps me keep on on the latest. The situation in Maine although expected by me was nontheless upsetting.

    OMG I just read the vitriol of hatred over at the Nobama thread---they are really showing their true phony hateful colors. I loved reading it. Made me laugh...their back is against the wall and they know it.
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    Buenos Aires okays gay marriage in Latin America first
    An Argentine judge paved the way for gay marriage when she granted a homosexual couple permission to marry in a first for Latin America, the world's biggest Catholic region.

    Buenos Aires, known for its active if low-key gay movement, became the region's first city to approve civil unions for gay couples in 2002. It was followed by Villa Carlos Paz in the north and the southern province of Rio Negro.
    In the rest of Latin America, Mexico City, the Mexican state of Coahuila and the Brazilian state of Rio Grande do Sul also allow civil unions for same-sex couples.

    Uruguay became the first country in the region in late 2007 to legalize civil unions for gays. In January 2009, the Colombian Constitutional Court recognized a series of rights for homosexual couples, including social welfare rights.

    But no Latin American country authorizes marriage between gays.
    Wal-Mart bans gay couple for NOT shoplifting
    Not every confrontation that a gay person experiences in their life is based on their orientation. But sometimes it is very difficult to see any other possible explanation.

    Take the experience that Joe Paolucci, Thomas Hitchcock, and their special need twins had recently with Wal-Mart.

    Employees at the Niles, MI Wal-Mart store accused Paolucci of shoplifting some Bic lighters. Although he produced the receipt, they refused to back down, insisting that the two men go to a “detention room”. The employees, using vulgarities and hostility, frightened their special needs kids.
    A review of the security tapes proved that Paolucci and Hitchcock had done no wrong. So the store management profusely apologized and expressed their remose, right? No. They did not.
    Wal-Mart even refused to replace frozen items that had now thawed due to their unprovoked misuse of their customers. Nor did the situation end at the harassment of the couple at the store.
    And what does Wal-Mart corporate have to say?

    Paolucci and Hitchcock e-mailed The Tribune a copy of a letter from a law firm representing Wal-Mart seeking 10 times the retail price of the items the store still claims were shoplifted by Paolucci. The letter states the matter will be dropped if Paolucci submits the $158.40 payment.
    Now this is not the first time that Wal-Mart has been perceived as hostile to gay Americans. In 2007, HRC advised against giving our business to Wal-Mart, and just in April of this year, the CEO signed his name to a petition to ban gay couples from adopting.

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    Teacher charged with putting "hit" on student
    According to the student's attorney, Forde pulled the 16-year-old student out of class and asked him if he was gay.

    "A child’s sexuality is never a teacher’s business," said Marcia Killebrew, the student's mother. "I feel like the man was being extremely inappropriate."

    The next day, the teacher got into a verbal altercation in an algebra class, said Madden.

    “The teacher threatened to hit him in his ‘f-ing mouth,’” Madden said.

    A few days later, Forde asked another student to “put a hit” on the teenager, according to a police report.

    "The suspect advised to the witness that he would pay him to kill the victim," the report states.

    The teacher wrote the victim's name on a note and showed it to another student on the school bus, the report says.

    “I have no idea why teacher would want to hurt my son," Killebrew said. "But all it came after the teachers asked my son if he was gay. For the teacher to ask that, he had to have a motive. That’s not a random question."

    Forde told police he "had no interaction with the witness or the victim, and he never made a statement regarding the victim," according to the report.

    Forde's attorney, Borquaye Thomas, said the 16-year-old only complained after he got in trouble for another incident.

    "The allegation is he made a hit on him, but that was not what was said nor what was intended," Thomas said. "The student only complained after he was getting suspended."

    Forde asked the student about being gay after he saw the boy dancing inappropriately with another male student in class, Thomas said.

    "All of the students knew Mr. Forde was joking," Thomas said. "The other students said Mr. Forde always plays around with them like that."

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    About "two moms" ...

    My Lesbian friend has a wee child, conceived at the fertility clinic using anonymous donor sperm. She and her partner both wanted to have a child, and this was the way they chose to get one.

    The lad is two years old, and calls the physical-birth-mom "Mama" or "Mommy." He calls the other lady "Mom" or "Mommy." One day I was visiting with the Mama and the pre-school called to say he had not been picked up on time. I heard her say, "His mom was supposed to get him. I'll call her."

    She called her partner, who was just running a wee bit behind.

    Not long ago, I would've thought this was, well, a bit of a queer way to raise a child. But since becoming friends with this lady (I'm not really friends with the partner), I have done some serious thinking, soul-searching, and praying.

    And in the end, I got this message from God: there's nothing wrong with two people loving each other. Humans (including St Paul, the great spokeswriter for Jesus) may think gayness is naughty, but God is all about love, so if my lesbian friends love each other, if their family is built on love, then surely they will not be condemned by the God of Love.

    So now, instead of thinking these ladies are naughty, I am actually proud of them because they don't even own a closet, much less hide in one.

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    I am writing to you about a tragic murder that has happened here in Puerto Rico. It has really only made local news simply because we are on this island, but you are the voice of those that are unheard throughout the world. On November 14 the body of a gay 19 year old was found a few miles away from the town in which he was residing in called Caguas. He was a very well known person in the gay community of Puerto Rico, and very loved. He was found on the site of an isolated road in the city of Cayey, he was partially burned, decapitated, and dismembered, both arms, both legs, and the torso.

    This has caused a huge reaction from the gay community here, but its a difficult situation. Never in the history of Puerto Rico has a murder been classified as a hate crime. Even though we have to follow federal mandates and laws, many of the laws in which are passed in the USA such as Obama’s new bill, do not always directly get practiced in Puerto Rico. The police agent that is handling this case said on a public televised statement that "people who lead this type of lifestyle need to be aware that this will happen”. As If the boy murdered Jorge Steven Lopez was asking to get killed
    Suspect Arrested in Horrific Murder of Puerto Rican Gay Teen
    Today, the paper Primera Hora reports that a 28-year-old man has been arrested as a suspect in the murder and and two vehicles have been seized as evidence. The man is scheduled to be questioned today.

    The paper reports that the man was targeted after extensive interviews with Mercado's friends in the town of Caguas, where Mercado was living. They report that the man offered Mercado money for sex.

    Harry Rodriguez of the FBI said the agency is monitoring the case, and is willing to provide assistance, if necessary, in the investigation with regard to DNA evidence. Said Rodriguez: "The FBI is monitoring this investigation with the police of Puerto Rico because there are federal statutes under the laws of civil rights violations covered by hate crimes."
    Puerto Rican Teen's Killer Says Murder was 'Gay Panic', Self Defense

    Massachusetts Man Says He Was Fired for Telling Colleague Her Gay Marriage Is Wrong
    Peter Vadala, 24, told he was terminated in August from his position as second deputy manager at a Brookstone store at Boston's Logan Airport after a conversation he had with a manager from another Brookstone store who was visiting the location.

    Vadala claims the woman, whom he declined to identify, mentioned four times that she had married her partner. He said he then left the store briefly to visit the airport's chapel before returning.

    "I found it offensive that she repeatedly brought it up," Vadala said. "By the fourth time she mentioned it, I felt God wanted me to express how I felt about the matter, so I did. But my tone was downright apologetic. I said, 'Regarding your homosexuality, I think that's bad stuff.'"

    The woman, according to Vadala, then said, "Human resources, buddy — keep your opinions to yourself," before exiting the store.

    Two days later, Vadala, who had been employed for just a matter of weeks, received a termination letter citing the company's zero-tolerance policy regarding "harassment" and "inappropriate and unprofessional" comments.
    Vadala disputes using the words "deviant" and "immoral" during conversations with human resources employees on the matter.

    "I did say I regard that lifestyle as deviant, as in deviating from the norm, but I never, ever said to that to the [manager]," he said. "In general, I believe people don't want to hear about controversial issues like that in the workplace. They shouldn't have to."
    Asked why he felt the need to comment on the woman's personal life, Vadala, who has since left the Boston area, said he felt compelled to do so.

    "I see, like all real Christians, homosexuals as people who, like me, are sinners and need to be told the truth in a loving way," he said. "In this situation, I took issue with the behavior. I think it's lunacy to call that type of behavior marriage in any kind of form. I had to express that I'm intolerant of that behavior. It's a love-the-sinner, hate-the-sin kind of deal."

    Vadala said he felt "intentionally goaded" by the manager to comment on her relationship.

    "She knew how I felt about homosexuality," he said. "When you talk to someone about something like that, you want their support. She was kind of looking into my eyes for that social cue for me to say, 'I'm happy for you.' But I really couldn't feel happy for her."
    It's so hard being a straight white man in America. You can't even help a spiritually needy deviant with losing your job. He probably would have been thrown in jail if they'd been at the bank.

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    Texas marriages in legal limbo due to 2005 error, Democrat says
    AUSTIN -- Texans: Are you really married?

    Maybe not.

    Barbara Ann Radnofsky, a Houston lawyer and Democratic candidate for attorney general, says that a 22-word clause in a 2005 constitutional amendment designed to ban gay marriages erroneously endangers the legal status of all marriages in the state.

    The amendment, approved by the Texas Legislature and overwhelmingly ratified by Texas voters, declares that "marriage in this state shall consist only of the union of one man and one woman." But the trouble-making phrase, as Radnofsky sees it, is Subsection B, which declares:

    "This state or a political subdivision of this state may not create or recognize any legal status identical or similar to marriage."

    Architects of the amendment included the clause to ban same-sex civil unions and domestic partnerships.

    But Radnofsky, who was a member of the powerhouse Vinson & Elkins law firm in Houston for 27 years until retiring in 2006, says the wording of Subsection B effectively "eliminates marriage in Texas," including common-law marriages.
    HA HA! [/Nelson]

    The messengers of God can't get arrested in this town

    HA HA! [/Nelson]

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    Over here, gays and lesbians are allowed get registered i.e. get married without right to adopt. I believe they passed a law now saying that they can adopt within a family, so the non-birth parents will have rights as well. My parents are friends with a gay couple, the other one had been in a relationship with a woman before and had a child, a couple of years younger than me. When I was elemenatary school age before i had ever even though about gays and lesbians, we were visiting them and the kid showed me around their house. She then showed me the master bedroom and said that her dad and the other man slept there. I remember thinking to myself that oh, I see sometimes men can be líke mum and dad and share a bed and have never since thought of it as strange or someone wrong. (Not that I did before, I didn't think at all!)

    BTW, the Church of Sweden now can marry couples of the same sex. Before it was just the registrars. Over here the church can bless couples but nothing else.

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    There was some discussion in 2005 about that wording in the Texas amendment, but apparently only those of us who voted against it thought it was a significant enough glitch to laugh about. That's as far as the discussion got back then.

    But now, Barbara Ann is being very clever to use it as a talking point. And she would be a good A/G, I'm sure, if we can somehow actually elect her.

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    The total marriage ban in Texas is in the French Yahoo news!

    Oddly, the article refers to Barbara Ann Radnofsky simply as Ann Radnofsky, but aside from that, it's the fact that it's now appearing online in France that got my attention.

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    Anti-gay activist sends out fliers opposing Parker
    Longtime anti-gay activist Dave Wilson, who once led a successful effort to amend the city charter to deny benefits to the partners of gay and lesbian city employees, said he has sent out 35,000 fliers opposing the mayoral candidacy of Annise Parker in part because of her sexual orientation.

    The front of the flier has a 2004 photo of Parker being sworn into office as city controller while her partner, Kathy Hubbard, looks on, accompanied by the headline: “Is this the image Houston wants to portray?” On the back is written, “Just because Annise Parker is a lesbian doesn't make her qualified to be mayor of Houston.”

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    Thanks for posting this. Very interesting indeed. In my life time I am hopeful something comes of this. America has been the land of discrimination for me my whole life and already I have one foot out of it (and oh yes I have paid into social security plenty and I will collect it--not mention sending others children to school, delivering health care to families and contributing to paving roads). This was once thought of as a great country granting liberty and freedom to all. It has become an antiquated group of religious zealots imposing their beliefs on everyone and in many cases these cult-like groups of unqualified individuals have succeeded. The clock is running...tick tock tick tock...The world has watched and as the USA continues to deny gay human rights the world in general (yeah I know Russia, Afghanistan and Iraq haven't..when I think of great nations these countries definitely are at the top of my list) has moved on to grant gays more and more human rights. In addition, the USA has lost its world power status and will continue to weaken as it continues on its current course of human rights denial and fighting wars it cannot win (I digress). Anita Bryant was successful for awhile...look where that ended up (hope your happy drinking OJ in Branson Anita along with Any Williams ..time keeps on ticking). If America is to keep its name it will have to lift its human rights discrimination against gay people. If not it will fall as many great civilizations have throughout the history of recorded time. Wathing the events unfold with regard to the advancement of human rights in America is a pleasure for me--whatever the outcome as I can always leave...unless the extremists ban this second class US citizen the right to leave as well and make me work in a concentration camp making swine flu vaccines for tyrants. Ask me how I really feel.
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    Heart My Thanks This Year

    Part of this appears in Random, but here is the complete, unabridged version:

    Happy Thanksgiving to y'all.

    My son was home today, he came in last night. He, his kids and I had spaghetti and meat balls with my homemade red sauce, and pecan pie for dessert. I am thankful that he could be here, and thankful that he's working again, and only as far away as Corpus Christi. And thankful that he doesn't need to take that beautiful Jaguar with him.

    Of course I'm thankful for all my MKF pals and all my Facebook Friends, and for my computer. I'm especially thankful for this great country of America, and for the results of last year's general election.

    But I have another thanks to give this year, which I have not yet shared with y'all. No no, I didn't win the lotto and move to France, and no, I didn't make that long and fateful walk down the aisle to the altar for the third and final time. I did meet a charming young lady, but I don't think I will ever be her li'l hubby. She already has a partner.

    But I am indeed thankful that I met her, and that I became so enamoured of her, and that I learned from her. At first, I thought she was, well, I thought she was "living in sin," and I even told her so. But I kept wanting to see her, to talk with her, to hang around her, and she was very tolerant.

    And finally, I loved her so much that I had to consider what I really think of her and her life. And I had to pray and meditate and search my soul for an answer. And finally, like the recovering alcoholic that I am, I had to give up trying to understand, and turn the matter over to my Higher Power.

    And finally, Jesus gave me the guidance I needed. As I walked along the wide expanse of the local shopping mall, my mind was blank. I had no thought of anything atall. I was just walking toward Lacy's place of business, not even thinking about the internal conflict I was having about her.

    Suddenly, I found myself in the new air-brush shop, buying a t-shirt for her. When I gave it to her, she understood how I had changed, and I didn't need to say anything at all.

    The t-shirt says, Marriage is so GAY. I am proud of Lacy, and I rejoice that she is happy in her relationship with Mary, and I am absolutely certain that God will not condemn them for loving each other.

    And I am very, very grateful for that lesson, which I would never have learned if not for my friend, my favorite person, the prettiest woman I never see again in my lifetime.

    Thanks be to God for Lacy's role in my life!
    I pledge allegiance to Liberty and Justice for all.
    Pray for Peace.
    "We will not learn how to live together in peace by killing each other's children." - Jimmy Carter
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    Virginia Appeals Court Give Full Faith and Credit to North Carolina Custody Order for Gay Dads
    A three-judge panel of the Court of Appeals of Virginia ruled on November 24 that the Fairfax Juvenile and Domestic Relations District Court had properly accorded full faith and credit, as required by the U.S. Constitution, to a North Carolina judicial decision awarding primary legal and residential custody of a child to two gay men (who are registered California domestic partners). Still pending before the lower court is a demand by the woman who served as surrogate mother for this child that the North Carolina custody ruling be modified to give her sole custody. One of the judges on the Court of Appeals argued in dissent that the case was not properly before the court for review. Prashad v. Copeland & Spivey, 2009 Westlaw 4030852 (Va.App., Nov. 24, 2009).

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