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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarynn@Elissa'smom View Post
    A Hawaiian COLB for Obama was posted on the internet more than a year. To date, no certified copy of the Hawaiian COLB or long form birth certificate has been presented to any Authority Having Jurisdiction for authentication such as the Federal Elections Commission; the US Congress; or the Federal Judiciary.\
    None of those organizations has authority to verify the authenticity of birth certificates; that role is left to the states.

    There also is no procedure (in the U.S. Constitution or otherwise) for verifying the citizenship of a candidate for President. In the past, people have trusted state officials & have not accused them of some vast conspiracy. Perhaps a system of verification will be addressed in the future.

    The Authority that has jurisdiction over Obama's status is the state of Hawaii. And officials in Hawaii (including the Republican governor) have issued official statements (several times) that they have examined both the long vault form & the state-issued digital copy (which indeed is certified & includes the official embossed seal), and that both are valid.
    Last edited by moxie; August 5th, 2009 at 04:37 AM.

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    Moxie you are correct, Mombassa belonged to Zanzibar until 1963 when it was ceded to the newly independent Kenya. See here.

    If we are to take as truth the most recent “discovered” birth certificate for Obama then perhaps we all should join the Flat Earth Society. Or believe the maps listing areas with the notation "Here Be Dragons”.

    For me, I think the most realistic take on this inane subject is the one taken by Bill Maher. See here.

    Frankly I don't think anything will satisfy these people; Lizard or otherwise.
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    Many, many, many, many, many Hawaiian officials HAVE verified the birth certificate.
    Now there is talk that the "Kenyan" birth certificate is a fraud and is really from Austrailia!!! Dum, dum, duuum.

    Better to give this up now and focus your attention on another conspirasy theory...........like Cartman's Alien anal probe or something just as baffling.
    Last edited by Sparks; August 5th, 2009 at 02:13 PM.

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    Many. many, many, many, many Hawaiian officials HAVE verified the birth certificate.
    Who? Post the links where I can see that for myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4dogknight View Post
    Moxie you are correct, Mombassa belonged to Zanzibar until 1963 when it was ceded to the newly independent Kenya.
    Plus, Mombasa is a mere 1,000 miles away from the town where Obama's father & step-grandmother lived, and had no international airport.

    So, we are supposed to believe that a supposed visit by Obama's pregnant mother to her husband's relatives included a side trip to a town 1,000 miles away ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarynn@Elissa'smom View Post
    Who? Post the links where I can see that for myself.
    This official statement, by the top official in Hawaii who verifies birth records, was released in late July & is on many web sites:

    I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.
    As you can see, this was not the first time she had made official verification.

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    Well, now the latest "real Kenyan" birth certificate has been traced (via ID numbers and the "Dr. Lavender" notation) to a document issued to a man in south Australia. This is the same document that was placed into "evidence" in the suit filed recently by Orly Taitz.

    Since it is a federal offense to knowlingly place a forged document into evidence in a federal suit, she'd better withdraw the suit & the "certificate" -- pronto.

    Or she might actually find herself in jail.
    Last edited by moxie; August 5th, 2009 at 05:08 AM.

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    Thumbsup How many of you Democrats were 911 truthers?

    Thank you, Mr. Freddoso, for your critical thinking!

    Birthers? Why didn't the Truthers get all this attention?
    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/op...-52222302.html
    But before liberals begin to smirk, here's a poll from 2007, in which 35 percent of Democrats said that President Bush knew in advance about the 9/11 attacks, and 26 percent were not sure.

    So if 58 percent of Republicans are living in a delusional fantasy world because they are out of power, then 61 percent of Democrats were doing the same thing until just recently (perhaps they still are). It's a clean, apples-to-apples comparison with a clear lesson: People get a bit kooky when they're out of power, Democrats about 3 points kookier -- which is probably within the margin of error.
    The Birthers are getting an awful lot of coverage right now, and that's great news for a White House desperate for distractions. President Obama is losing the public opinion battle over health care and putting his foot in his mouth over Henry Gates. His only major legislative accomplishment so far -- the stimulus package -- is widely perceived as a costly and ineffective boondoggle.
    Last edited by MichellianeKwanjuez; August 5th, 2009 at 12:04 PM.

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    Ummm, because the Birthers have cried louder than the Truthers. They have been the people who have put this (non) issue out into the MSM, etc. They post billboards...they disrupt town hall meetings. They have wormed their way into the more moderate wing of the party.
    As far as I could see, the Truthers were relegated to local public access TV. Even when a Truther spoke on left-wing radio (which I monitor), they were dismissed as kooks, for the most part. Too bad the right-wing didn't do the same to the Birthers a long time ago.

    Q: How do you know you have gone over the edge with the Birther issue?

    A: When even Bill O'Reilly and Ann Coulter say it is a nutty idea and that the Birthers should STFU.
    The Birthers are just splintering the Republican Party further.

    The lack of a strong 2-3 party system is bad for America.

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    What I'd like to know is where they dug up some greasy old babushka? Who the hell is this Oily Taint and what makes her so important and qualified to determine who is a "real" American, when she isn't one at all?

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    Indeed, as is outlined at American Grand Jury, it is the Australian BC that is indisputably fake. Also fake are the modified versions of the Kenyan BC that OBOT Deniers manufactured to try and discredit the original Kenyan one presented by Orly Taitz.


    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2308553/posts

    It has been a very exciting few days here. The “Birthers” are on a roll and the “Obots” are scrambling.

    Today we are all aware that there are some very unscruplous people out there trying to discredit Orly’s original document that she filed with the Federal District Court. Her original document was copied from the web and “remanufactured” a couple of times to give the impression that her original was a fake.

    Oops! It looks like the Obots got caught with their pants down on this one.

    Rule number one: This is the internet baby! We save things as soon as we download them. Making comparisons is easy if you know where to look.

    Forgery number one: “47,O44″ The Obots were laughing when then they joked: 47 years old, Big O, and 44th president.

    Wrong: Orly’s document actually says 47,644. I have it shown here as “negative image” so you can see the original document (you have to look close) does say 47,644 and NOT 47,O44.

    47644

    The next slight of hand from the forgers says “E.F. Lavender” is a brand of soap in Kenya. Wrong again. The Registrar’s name is K. F. Lavender.

    And finally the BIG hoopla about the Australian Birth Registration from Bomford being the REAL deal and Orly’s being the fake. A double wammy on this one. The Bomford document was proven within hours of to be a real amatuer waste of photoshopping skills. The biggest tell-tale on this blooper was the signature in the bottom right corner. It is pretty hard to put the “print” on top of the signature in real life.

    Bomford

    By the way, the so-called Patriots yesterday that couldn’t wait to spew their venum by saying “Orly is busted” are surprisingly quiet today. I wonder how that happened.. Sam?

    We visited with Orly yesterday by email. She offered the following explanation about the forgeries. I think the lady is genuinely concerned that people believe she is doing everything in her power to get this document authenticated through the Court system. One thing is for sure, somebody is lying and I think we all know who that somebody is! Mr. President, would you care to comment?
    Last edited by Tarynn@Elissa'smom; August 5th, 2009 at 02:25 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarynn@Elissa'smom View Post
    It has been a very exciting few days here. The “Birthers” are on a roll and the “Obots” are scrambling.

    Today we are all aware that there are some very unscruplous people out there trying to discredit Orly’s original document that she filed with the Federal District Court. Her original document was copied from the web and “remanufactured” a couple of times to give the impression that her original was a fake.

    Oops! It looks like the Obots got caught with their pants down on this one.

    Rule number one: This is the internet baby! We save things as soon as we download them. Making comparisons is easy if you know where to look.

    Forgery number one: “47,O44″ The Obots were laughing when then they joked: 47 years old, Big O, and 44th president.

    Wrong: Orly’s document actually says 47,644. I have it shown here as “negative image” so you can see the original document (you have to look close) does say 47,644 and NOT 47,O44.

    47644

    The next slight of hand from the forgers says “E.F. Lavender” is a brand of soap in Kenya. Wrong again. The Registrar’s name is K. F. Lavender.

    And finally the BIG hoopla about the Australian Birth Registration from Bomford being the REAL deal and Orly’s being the fake. A double wammy on this one. The Bomford document was proven within hours of to be a real amatuer waste of photoshopping skills. The biggest tell-tale on this blooper was the signature in the bottom right corner. It is pretty hard to put the “print” on top of the signature in real life.

    Bomford

    By the way, the so-called Patriots yesterday that couldn’t wait to spew their venum by saying “Orly is busted” are surprisingly quiet today. I wonder how that happened.. Sam?

    We visited with Orly yesterday by email. She offered the following explanation about the forgeries. I think the lady is genuinely concerned that people believe she is doing everything in her power to get this document authenticated through the Court system. One thing is for sure, somebody is lying and I think we all know who that somebody is! Mr. President, would you care to comment?
    Tarynn, are these all your own words?
    Some of your own words?
    Or did you quote all these paragraphs from the link, without the proper quote marks & attribution? (FYI, both quote marks and attribution are required by MKF to avoid copyright violations that could cause problems for the board.)

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    Taryn,
    Next time you communicate with Orly, have her tell the Tooth Fairy "hi" and ask her where's that magic frog I ordered!

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    So, anyone want to see Ms. Titz melting down on MSNBC?

    Gee, one would think she'd be as cool as a cucumber since she holds the "smoking gun".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparks View Post
    Ummm, because the Birthers have cried louder than the Truthers. They have been the people who have put this (non) issue out into the MSM, etc. They post billboards...they disrupt town hall meetings. They have wormed their way into the more moderate wing of the party.
    As far as I could see, the Truthers were relegated to local public access TV. Even when a Truther spoke on left-wing radio (which I monitor), they were dismissed as kooks, for the most part. Too bad the right-wing didn't do the same to the Birthers a long time ago.

    Q: How do you know you have gone over the edge with the Birther issue?

    A: When even Bill O'Reilly and Ann Coulter say it is a nutty idea and that the Birthers should STFU.
    The Birthers are just splintering the Republican Party further.

    The lack of a strong 2-3 party system is bad for America.
    All the things that you’re saying here might’ve been more believable if I did not remember the post in which you implied that GWB deserved to be blamed for the 9-11 terrorist attacks.
    http://www.mkforum.net/forum/showthread.php?t=21640 #21

    Taryn,
    Next time you communicate with Orly, have her tell the Tooth Fairy "hi" and ask her where's that magic frog I ordered!
    Oh, and don’t take it too personally.
    Last edited by MichellianeKwanjuez; August 5th, 2009 at 08:51 PM.

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    I can only guess that you are referring to:
    In fact, as we all know now, Bush had adequate warning in April 2001 about Al Qaeda determined to attack in the U.S. There was robust intellegence indicating Al Qaeda planned to use large airplanes in a one or more heavily populated areas.

    Too bad he didn't pay much attention. He chose to stay on his "ranch" and vacation over the summer.

    No, we haven't seen the likes of the attacks on 9/11/01 since and I'm very happy about that. BUTT it is IMPOSSIBLE to say why. We cannot attribute the lack of an attack to torture, the war in Iraq, or to Bush/Cheney's illegal policies. To do so would be folly, imo.
    Oh. I do have one correction to my post above...it was August, not April when the Intellegence briefing was given to President Bush.

    If you look a little further, I wrote: (# 25)
    I never BLAMED Bush for the attacks. I do know that the Clinton admin wanted to thoroughly brief the incoming Bush admin regarding the latest information regarding Al Qaeda, BUTT they were turned away.

    No, Clinton's hands are not clean either. I never said otherwise.
    I am no Truther....that would be engaging in an over-simplification of a very complicated tragedy.

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    I just wonder if Orly Taintz and her ilk will ever admit that they just can't find anything real against President Obama....
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    Here is another thing that doesn't make sense: Just who would have requested this supposed 1964 copy & who has had possession of it for all these years? (Dear Orly claims that some low-level State Department person has it now, but doesn't say where this person got it & where it has been for the past 45 years.)

    After all, in 1964 Obama was only 3 years old (not likely to have any interest in it), his mother was divorced & living in Hawaii (and, if the birthers are to believed, had gone to unusual effort to plant "fake" U.S. birth announcements in Honolulu). And his father had essentially deserted the family and was involved with other women. Why would HE have wanted it?

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    Birthers -- You Got Punk'd

    Fine cotton business paper: $11

    Inkjet printer: $35

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    2 Shilling coin: $1

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    Punkin’ the Birthers: Priceless
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    I was just at the grocery store & this week's Globe
    has a huge screaming headline about "Obama's Fake Birth Certificate"!

    Only this time, they're claiming that he actually was born in Canada.
    Supposedly, his mother found out his father has another wife in Kenya, so decided
    that having Obama born in Canada would give him dual American/Canadian citizenship & make it harder for Obama Sr. to get custody of the child. One of the many problems with this theory is that had Obama's mother given birth in Canada, Obama would not have had U.S. citizenship because she wasn't 19 yet.

    Whatever ...

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    I'm thinking of getting myself one of those fake Kenyan birth certificates now available online from a number of sources. I've long wanted to change my MKF name to "Mobutu In San Jose."
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    Dear God can't we drop this stupid debate. Note to republicans- "OBAMA WON"

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    I was thinking just this afternoon that the "birthers" must be really upset that, thanks to the health care controversy, no one is talking about them anymore.

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    They'd do more good if they were out looking for Jimmy Hoffa's body.

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