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    Here's a video of my practice from this morning.

    After 3 full weeks back onto the ice, and after doing some serious off-ice training and sports medicine, I've been getting a bit stronger. I'll keep this post short and sweet, so all I wanted to do today was complete one clean axel jump. I finally just did it and landed a ton of them today. I'm still just doing from a basic standstill & push, but that's fine until I start adding more speed.

    Since the axel felt so easy, I decided to try a double loop. I figured my hip was healed, and it was okay for me to do something more advanced (I've been stretching like crazy each night). I did several hand-down attempts, but finally landed one at the end of the session. Not a ton of speed, but that will come as I get more advanced.

    I started back on spins today. Did some camels, back camels, sit spins, etc. I was a bit nervous since the spins were the ones that strained my hip muscle, but today everything felt good. I just need to increase the speed and correct the positioning/posture.

    Enjoy the vid!!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWGCeKtF5VE


    I feel like I had a great & productive training day today. Honestly, it was about getting past the mental block/fear of doing this stuff again. An axel or double loop might not seem like anything crazy, but when you're returning to the ice after a long absence, it's the small stuff that keeps motivating you to keep going. Today's practice certainly motivated me to do better, and also let me know that I can still do what I used to do.

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    Wow, this thread has pulled me out of lurkerdom again. Scootie I am so excited for you (and more than a little envious--how I wish I could do even ten percent of those things!). It is amazing that you are that good again after six whole years off the ice. Thanks for posting.
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    that the video wasn't much longer. I was thoroughly enjoying you, and poof you were gone. So, okay, I watched it 3 times.

    Seriously, you are progressing so rapidly. If you can do all this at 3 weeks after 6 years off, well, I'm astonished. You inspire me. I'm seriously considering lessons for myself again. It's been decades since I've been on the ice, but I still miss it; and I figure if I start soon by the time by grandchild, who will be born in a few months, is old enough to skate, I can take her/him. Nuff about me.

    Do you have any video of you from 6 years ago? I would love to see where you were when you began your hiatus to focus on your career. Congrats on your success at both, BTW, you over-achiever, you.
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    Ok Scootie! Gotta comment!

    First of all HOT DAMN on your technique. The camel position in the second attempted spin was done extremely well. Like your edge control, wish mine was that good, and your security on the ice. Nice to see!

    Technique on the jumps was just fantastic! No pre-rotation at all on the flip or lutz. Loop was pre-rotated the "normal" amount and that was a damn clean take-off on the axel! Your air positions are almost "spot on". And love the security on the landings. I wouldn't be shocked if you could get some triples in eventually!

    Now you're making me wanna get my butt back on the ice again too. Can't afford it these days and I need a new pair of skates but let me say that it's inspiration to watch ya after so long being off the ice and get back into it that quick.

    Keep up the good work. Everything is "first rate" so far!!!
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    Scootie...great to see you skate. Great line! Thanks for posting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erin S. View Post
    Wow, this thread has pulled me out of lurkerdom again. Scootie I am so excited for you (and more than a little envious--how I wish I could do even ten percent of those things!). It is amazing that you are that good again after six whole years off the ice. Thanks for posting.
    Thanks so much for the nice comment! I really appreciate it!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by gratefulmkfan View Post
    that the video wasn't much longer. I was thoroughly enjoying you, and poof you were gone. So, okay, I watched it 3 times.

    Seriously, you are progressing so rapidly. If you can do all this at 3 weeks after 6 years off, well, I'm astonished. You inspire me. I'm seriously considering lessons for myself again. It's been decades since I've been on the ice, but I still miss it; and I figure if I start soon by the time by grandchild, who will be born in a few months, is old enough to skate, I can take her/him. Nuff about me.

    Do you have any video of you from 6 years ago? I would love to see where you were when you began your hiatus to focus on your career. Congrats on your success at both, BTW, you over-achiever, you.

    wow, thanks so much for the very nice compliment! I feel like getting back on the ice is similar to riding a bicycle...well, not quite...but I am slowly but surely getting back the muscle memory. I am excited to see my progress, and honestly, it's everyone's support here that is motivating me to keep going to the next step!


    Quote Originally Posted by KwanBoy23 View Post
    Ok Scootie! Gotta comment!

    First of all HOT DAMN on your technique. The camel position in the second attempted spin was done extremely well. Like your edge control, wish mine was that good, and your security on the ice. Nice to see!

    Technique on the jumps was just fantastic! No pre-rotation at all on the flip or lutz. Loop was pre-rotated the "normal" amount and that was a damn clean take-off on the axel! Your air positions are almost "spot on". And love the security on the landings. I wouldn't be shocked if you could get some triples in eventually!

    Now you're making me wanna get my butt back on the ice again too. Can't afford it these days and I need a new pair of skates but let me say that it's inspiration to watch ya after so long being off the ice and get back into it that quick.

    Keep up the good work. Everything is "first rate" so far!!!
    Thanks so much for your critique. I always welcome it...good or bad The double loop was my first day doing it so I was a little hesitant and somewhat pre-rotated the entrance (due to hesitation). However, like you said, it's still rotated, so I'm pretty darn happy with it. I did some this past week and they felt good. I just need more time to get comfortable doing doubles again. Then I need to work A LOT on spins, which are also a favorite of mine, but you'd never know seeing my very sloppy technique. I guess I'm trying to be too perfect after 4 weeks though...eek. I need to keep reminding myself to slow down.

    Quote Originally Posted by cestlavie000000 View Post
    Scootie...great to see you skate. Great line! Thanks for posting.
    Many thanks!

    So just for you gratefulmkfan (seriously ), I put together a lot of practice clips from two different days. Same stuff as the previous weeks in terms of elements, but in either case another practice vid.

    I'm hoping to work on double salchows the next few sessions, and maybe some double loop/double loop combos. I've been working out a lot off ice, so I'm hoping the strength training will continue to assist me on the ice. I've been feeling much better this week, but my leg still hurts when I jump into the axel (still have a minor pull so not too many axels for me).

    This past Saturday I also worked with a coach. We basically worked on my axel and she also wanted me to adjust my landing position to square off my body a bit more. You'll notice on some jumps towards the end of the vid that I am doing my landing position a bit different to try out her technique. I think it's helping, and will evolve my line a bit better.

    Also, I realized my blades aren't really mounted well to my boots because the soles are soggy, so I took them to the boot repair shop today to have new soles put on. That will take over a week of repair work, so I will be off the ice until then. I was going to buy new skates, but figured I wanted more time in my current boots before I try to break in a new pair.

    Anyway, here's the video...Enjoy (or not lol)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIGdAApWfxc

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    I just caught onto this thread and I love it. It's great to see the progress you've made since your first day back on the ice. I'm going to have to keep an eye on this thread. I go to my rink once a week, but that's not for myself, I'm coaching. I haven't skated for myself in months and before then I was taking it easy on the ice since I was recovering from a groin injury which took about two years to heal (the hazards of working with cold muscles because I didn't want to take the time to properly warm up).

    This thread you've got going here is inspirational (and not to mention motivational). I think one of my August resolutions will to get back on the ice too. I've been wanting to, but so many other things have been going on.

    If you can do it after nearly 7 years off ice, I surely can do it too (and I'm only suffering from about three years not being in my top form and only about four months not skating at all for myself). Thank you for the inspiration and I look forward to seeing more of your videos, you have a strong style of skating that I like, smooth edges with good posture.

    Awesome!

    ~Cassie

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    Cassie-

    Thanks for the compliments. I'll be honest with you...getting back on the ice has been fun, but it has been a huge challenge too! I hurt myself several times already with pulls & strains of various muscles, and I'm still gritting my teeth through axel jumps that still hurt my hamstring muscle on my landing leg. Luckily, I have a friend that practices sports medicine and his office is right by mine, so I can easily go in for various treatments, which have helped.

    Despite some of the physical set-backs, I feel like I'm making good progress for 3 hours a week of skating, and only 4 weeks to boot. I really feel like this is a good challenge for me, and I am eager to start getting back new things. The hope is to have all double jumps back and strong spins. If I eventually feel up to it, maybe I'll start doing triples again, but we'll see what happens down the road. I want to have fun and not hurt myself.

    This sounds funny, but all the nice comments have been very motivational, and it really makes me want to commit to making better & faster progress so I can share with all of you.

    It's great to know others are inspired to want to get back on the ice again.

    As a side note, I also have to say I feel very good physically. I have been doing a lot of working out off the ice, with a focus on cardio, leg presses, etc. So even if the skating doesn't work out the way I like, at least I will eventually be in great physical shape. I'm trying to take a page from Michelle's book and just work on being as fit as possible, and having fun in the process.

    I'm interested to hear other skater's stories once they get back onto the ice

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    You have a very nice line and form.
    What strides you've taken since your first video.
    Looks like fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MKPerfect6.0 View Post
    You have a very nice line and form.
    What strides you've taken since your first video.
    Looks like fun.

    Thanks for the comment! I feel like I've accomplished a lot since getting back into the groove of things, and at the same time I feel very clueless as to how I can plan out the rest of my goals. I have SO much stuff to work on, in terms of getting my spins and more basic moves back, but at the same time I want to balance out those things with getting back my jumps.

    My typical plan is when I skate 3 hours, I try to devote my practices into 1-hour blocks. First, I'll work on edges and MITF up and down the ice. Then I'll spend time working on some spins, and then get myself into doing the jumps. Usually, I'll go through this long routine of things, and then repeat it from the beginning.

    Anyway, I'm trying to figure out how to plan out everything, so eventually I'll have some sort of benchmark timeline

    Aside from that I thought I'd shoot a quick post on here to say I got my boots back yesterday from the repair shop and they look BEAUTIFUL!!! I have only had one previous boot repair, and lets just say I was blown outta the water when I saw the quality of work the guy did on replacing the soles on both boots. They look brand new!

    The guy that did the boot repair said my skates are still in great shape, and that all I should do next is get a small rebuild of the boot to strengthen the area that has broken down a bit.

    I will certainly be recommending the place for anyone needing any type of shoe repair. The work really is great quality.

    No wonder Michelle had them do work on her skates

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    Quick blurp to say that I tested out my skates today after the skate shop guy finally mounted the blades. He also sharpened the blade in order to redo the rocker.

    Anyway, all in all, felt GREAT out on the ice today. All of my spins felt wonderful, fast, and centered...just like old times.

    My jumps felt secure, and I easily did axels and double loops. I really think all of the off-ice training in helping me on the ice.

    Happy with today's results.

    Hopefully my next practice on Saturday will be filmed to show my progress the past two weeks

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    I wanted to post a long practice update vid, but I guess next week I'll have more time to actually film.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tF1HqD3oYE

    I landed a lot of double loops today, including a double loop/double loop combo, but I unfortunately didn't get on film I let my coach borrow my camera to film her student...lol, and it was so high too!

    Spins and jumps feel better with the repaired boots, and I guess by next week I will get started working on a new double jump. Perhaps the salchow or flip. Still deciding.

    Thanks again to everyone for your support. As always, it's very motivational.

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    Hi, Scootie. This is my first time in this thread. I am SO impressed! Good for you to go back to skating....really nice axel in earlier vid and the double loops, my goodness..way to go! I have to give you so much credit. My husband gave me a single lesson for a birthday present a few years ago. We have a small rink in my town (Elaine Z and Scottie Allen, Olympic Bronze Medalist in 1964 first started here, and I took lessons in the early 60's before I decided I preferred going fast on our local outdoor frozen ponds....and then discovered Martha Graham and Modern Dance). Anyway, I'm in my 50's so you can imagine -well, maybe you don't want to picture it...but anyway, I managed some 3 turns and some crossovers which I can't believe I remembered! I LOVED it, but alas, I have 2 herniated discs in my lower back which were NOT happy with it! Needless to say, I haven't been back! Oh well....keep up the good work and keep the vids coming. I do enjoy them!

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    Quote Originally Posted by debbwin View Post
    Hi, Scootie. This is my first time in this thread. I am SO impressed! Good for you to go back to skating....really nice axel in earlier vid and the double loops, my goodness..way to go! I have to give you so much credit.

    Thanks so much for the nice comments! I have to admit I'm feeling good about what I've done in a few short weeks. I'm slowly moving past my fear of doing harder elements, and not injuring myself. I think I've conditioned myself enough to the point where I can let my body do the work, and in the meantime, I can allow myself to work on correcting technique and posture.


    My husband gave me a single lesson for a birthday present a few years ago. We have a small rink in my town (Elaine Z and Scottie Allen, Olympic Bronze Medalist in 1964 first started here, and I took lessons in the early 60's before I decided I preferred going fast on our local outdoor frozen ponds....and then discovered Martha Graham and Modern Dance). Anyway, I'm in my 50's so you can imagine -well, maybe you don't want to picture it...but anyway, I managed some 3 turns and some crossovers which I can't believe I remembered! I LOVED it, but alas, I have 2 herniated discs in my lower back which were NOT happy with it! Needless to say, I haven't been back! Oh well....keep up the good work and keep the vids coming. I do enjoy them!
    That sounds like fun, but sorry to hear about your back! I would think doing some basic skating wouldn't hurt you, but I've never had a herniated disc, so I shouldn't be talking Do you ever have the urge to get back on the ice just to skate around? Sometimes that it fun and relaxing.

    Thanks for the motivation, and I'll be sure to get more videos posted. I am going to a Wednesday evening practice and will hopefully get some vids of my current jumps, spins, etc. I think by next Saturday, I will get working on a new jump (either the double salchow or double flip). I also need to spend more time focusing on spins, which I've neglected just a bit, but now that my boots are repaired, I can feel a huge difference in my technique.

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    Here's a new video update for all of you. I tried to make a long video update for those of you here and on youtube that have been asking.

    I have basically included clips from my axel, double loop, and double salchow practice. Some clips are with my coach.

    All clips are from this morning's practice. I tried to upload Wednesday's practice, but had a problem with the video format transferring to my computer. Apparently something was corrupted.

    Anyway, this is the first week I attempted my double salchow. I was going to try the double flip, but maybe in another week or two

    Enjoy!!


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eh4qR1_tk2Y


    And thanks again to everyone that always motivates me. The comments are very much appreciated

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    Michael, thank you for sharing your latest video. You looked great in your warm up. You're really improving on your technique and not bad on your jumps! I'm impressed!
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    Hi, Michael. Thanks for the vids....you really do have great posture! Anyway, I can't believe that salchow was your first that day...very easy looking..this may be your jump! I was jealous of the ice time you had all to yourself.....when I took my lessons in the 1960's, my little rink was very crowded more like some of your other ice times...i seem to remember me trying not to skate into my best friend at the time who took lessons with me...we laughed alot tho...that i do remember! anyway, keep it up. I am so enjoying watching you progress.
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    Height of the jumps are improving a lot! Good job! BTW I thought you were going to take out the girl halfway through the video when you were doing a back crossover.

    OMG if that was Mao Asada/Yu-Na Kim you would have a lot of enemies...

    Or maybe it was her trying to psych you out!
    Keep on truckin

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    Yeah Scootie, great double sals! Hell, I can't even get my single to do it right! I DESPISE THAT JUMP SO MUCH! (and the toe loop weirdly!)

    Nice to see the axel with more speed into it. Jump landings looked a lot more secure. I just can't rave enough about your in-air position though. It's perfect! Good height on the jumps too. Maybe a little too early to be trying to do double loop/double loop but some of them were very close to being completely landed.

    I'm anxious to see your lutz, flip and toe loop technique. (when they get to doubles) If its anything like your axel, salchow, and loop I'm gonna cry! (Cause they are so good) More of an edge jumper are ya?

    The million dollar question (for me at least) is who was your coach before. Whomever it was made sure the technique was right. Either that or you made sure it was for your return.
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    Quote Originally Posted by debbwin View Post
    Hi, Michael. Thanks for the vids....you really do have great posture! Anyway, I can't believe that salchow was your first that day...very easy looking..this may be your jump! I was jealous of the ice time you had all to yourself.....when I took my lessons in the 1960's, my little rink was very crowded more like some of your other ice times...i seem to remember me trying not to skate into my best friend at the time who took lessons with me...we laughed alot tho...that i do remember! anyway, keep it up. I am so enjoying watching you progress.
    Deb

    Thanks! And I like hearing your stories about when you used to skate. I was surprised that the salchows went as smoothly as they did, especially for not doing them in 7 years!


    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrett View Post
    Height of the jumps are improving a lot! Good job! BTW I thought you were going to take out the girl halfway through the video when you were doing a back crossover.

    OMG if that was Mao Asada/Yu-Na Kim you would have a lot of enemies...

    Or maybe it was her trying to psych you out!

    Thanks. I can definitely tell a difference in the jump height since I've been doing a lot of off-ice work outs. Plus, I've dropped about 11lbs since Week 1, which puts me back at my old skating weight (plus a nicely defined stomach again...haha). I think the combination of the two have benefitted me a lot.


    LOL re: taking out the little girl. I skate during the week at a much larger rink, but this one is small and can get more crowded in the last hour I skate (I do 3 hours on Saturday). I'm like the only grown up there, so you just get to the point where you need to be pushy b/c the little kids usually don't care who they skate into.


    Quote Originally Posted by KwanBoy23 View Post
    Yeah Scootie, great double sals! Hell, I can't even get my single to do it right! I DESPISE THAT JUMP SO MUCH! (and the toe loop weirdly!)
    LOL, don't worry, I H-A-T-E the toe-loop jump. Even when I could do some triples, I still hated doing the double toe. That's why my combinations in the short programs always had the double loop instead...much easier for me.


    Quote Originally Posted by KwanBoy23 View Post
    Nice to see the axel with more speed into it. Jump landings looked a lot more secure. I just can't rave enough about your in-air position though. It's perfect! Good height on the jumps too. Maybe a little too early to be trying to do double loop/double loop but some of them were very close to being completely landed.

    Thanks, and good to hear your comment. The landings feel much more secure now that I've been focusing on the landing positions with my coach.

    Re: height...I've always seemed to have been able to jump high. I attribute it to using my knees well, but I still think I can get a bit higher.

    The solo double loop feels great so I figured I could do the double loop/double loop. I actually did a beautiful one the week prior, but this week I just couldn't get my feet under me in the right spot. I never got good spring off the ice, but I think it'll get there once I add more speed. I've been cautious with speed when relearning jumps, so now I will keep adding more as I get more comfortable.


    Quote Originally Posted by KwanBoy23 View Post
    I'm anxious to see your lutz, flip and toe loop technique. (when they get to doubles) If its anything like your axel, salchow, and loop I'm gonna cry! (Cause they are so good) More of an edge jumper are ya?

    I am thinking to either work on the flip or lutz this weekend. However, I did tell myself I'd go very slowly with reintroducing new jumps, but assuming the others feel good, I will continue with probably the flip.

    I really feel best doing the loop jump, but my double flips and lutzes were always very strong (when I used to do them, anyway).


    Quote Originally Posted by KwanBoy23 View Post
    The million dollar question (for me at least) is who was your coach before. Whomever it was made sure the technique was right. Either that or you made sure it was for your return.
    That's very nice of you. My former coach is Larry Schrier who was a pairs skater back in the 70's and early 80's. I would, as have several coaches that know him, describe him as a perfectionist. I am a perfectionist too, so I guess the combination worked well since he was my coach for about 10 years. I learned a lot about proper jump positioning and edge skills from him. That's why you'll notice in my warmups that I try to do very deep edges in a serpentine-like tracing. Yeah, I owe him a lot for all his coaching efforts.

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    Just a quick update regarding yesterday's practice.

    So the bad news.....the battery on my camera DIED since I forgot to charge, so unfortunately I got no good footage

    My coach and I worked on all jumps again yesterday. We mostly spent time increasing speed and landing positions.

    I am annoyed about the camera not working because I finally moved onto double flip jumps.

    My coach asks "so when is the last time you did a double flip"

    I say "7 years ago"

    Her reply was "great, well go do it now!"

    LOL, I was a bit apprehensive to commit to doing it since any mistake on my air position would result in a bad fall, but on my first try I ended up doing the jump (put my right hand down though).

    I was surprised how secure the jump felt on each attempt, so now she wants me to move onto the lutz so I can essentially have all of my doubles back, except for the toe-loop and double axel.

    I will eventually try to get a double toe back, but I've always hated the jump Double axels I foresee much farther down the pipeline.

    Oh, and KwanBoy, my coach said something to me yesterday that you mentioned in your reply. She said other than some corrections I should make to my landing arms, that my edging and air positions on all jumps is textbook perfect. She said she gets the feeling from me that when I do a jump and fully rotate that there's no doubt that I'll securely land it. I thought that was nice of her to say.

    Anyway, I hope to get a vid with the double flips very soon!!!

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    Can't wait to see the flip and lutz, maybe you should get a spare battery just in case.
    Keep on truckin

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    Love the new avatar Jarrett

    Okay, here's a quick mid-week practice update video with two somewhat decent, yet very slow, double flips.

    Enjoy (or not) LOL

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8W8SiE3h2l4

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    I could completely setup you up right now and change it to a picture of Tara.

    Anyway congrats on the flip again. Lutz next!
    Keep on truckin

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