Cialis Professional
Page 4 of 5 FirstFirst ... 2345 LastLast
Results 76 to 100 of 124

Thread: When extremism becomes dangerous

  1. #76

    Default

    EBay refuses benefit auction for Roeder
    An eBay auction planned by abortion opponents to raise money for the man accused of killing Wichita abortion doctor George Tiller will not be permitted, company officials said Tuesday.

    “Based on the details we know about the anticipated listings, we believe these would violate our policy regarding offensive material,” the company said in a statement to The Kansas City Star. “EBay will not permit the items in question to be posted to the eBay site, and they will be removed if they are posted.”

  2. #77

    Default

    Scott Roeder: No Regrets About Killing George Tiller -- Lawyer Rejects His Defense

    How is he any less of a "terrorist" than Maj. Hasan?

  3. #78

    Default

    I thought I had made this post already, but I guess I didn't.

    Quote Originally Posted by evergreen View Post
    Until fathers, stepdads, uncles, brothers ect, stop raping their own, I will be pro abortion.
    Wanna cut down on abortion? Quit trying to keep young people from learning about contraception via sex education. Quit denying people birth control at the pharmacy. Start adopting those babies put up instead of letting them languish in a foster system. Otherwise, get used to your taxes paying some "slut's" welfare checks.

  4. #79

    Default

    I stand by my pro abortion comments. Rapist fathers, uncles, brothers, ect- should not get a free pass to continue their disgusting and assaultive behaviors: nor should their victims have to suffer through pregnancy and labor pains as a result of what these pigs get away with.

  5. #80

    Default

    From statistics listed in Guttmaker institute study:

    Reasons for abortions
    In 2000, cases of rape or incest accounted for 1% of abortions.[26] Another study, in 1998, revealed that in 1987-1988 women reported the following reasons for choosing an abortion:[27]

    25.5% Want to postpone childbearing
    21.3% Cannot afford a baby
    14.1% Has relationship problem or partner does not want pregnancy
    12.2% Too young; parent(s) or other(s) object to pregnancy
    10.8% Having a child will disrupt education or job
    7.9% Want no (more) children
    3.3% Risk to fetal health
    2.8% Risk to maternal health
    2.1% Other


    So - while I say yes -- uncles, brothers, fathers, etc. should stop raping women -- the statistics indicate that is a smaller number of people than just not wanting to have children.

  6. #81

    Default

    I don't care if it is just ONE underage girl in the U.S. being raped and impregnated by a family member. She should have full protection under the law, a safe house. and access to a free abortion. Everybody is worried about unborn fetuses but NOBODY cares about these girls. I stand by my opinion.

  7. #82
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    San Francisco
    Posts
    621

    Default

    As a female...I will say this: I find people who want to tell me what I can and cannot do to my body are as disgusting as a bully picking on a kitten. Because those people are trying to "take" something away from me by force and I can't do anything about it. I can respect their views, but when they are trying to ban everyone from getting an abortion, including cases of rape, incest, or death to the mother (thank you Sarah Palin), I find it appalling.

    As someone who has had friends that had have abortions and some friends who had their child and gave it up for adoption, the one who went to term wished she had an abortion.

    In some cases, none of those anit-abortonist know what is going on with these teens that are getting pregnant. My friend was raped and abused by her sister as a child for years and from then on she had an unhealthy sexual appetite. Is it her fault that she couldn't control her urges and got pregnant? It's no. I had asked her why didn't you go on the pill or use protection? She said she didn't want her parents finding out she was having sex and didn't want to leave any evidence.

    In cases like this, can you really say that there is a statistic and that she should have been forced to go to term just because she's "killing" something that can't breathe outside the uterus?
    All we need is love, music, and the KWEEN!

    Keeper of Triple Flip

    Keeper of Wildside

  8. #83
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    San Francisco
    Posts
    621

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Solidarity View Post
    From statistics listed in Guttmaker institute study:

    Reasons for abortions
    In 2000, cases of rape or incest accounted for 1% of abortions.[26] Another study, in 1998, revealed that in 1987-1988 women reported the following reasons for choosing an abortion:[27]

    25.5% Want to postpone childbearing
    21.3% Cannot afford a baby
    14.1% Has relationship problem or partner does not want pregnancy
    12.2% Too young; parent(s) or other(s) object to pregnancy
    10.8% Having a child will disrupt education or job
    7.9% Want no (more) children
    3.3% Risk to fetal health
    2.8% Risk to maternal health
    2.1% Other


    So - while I say yes -- uncles, brothers, fathers, etc. should stop raping women -- the statistics indicate that is a smaller number of people than just not wanting to have children.
    So, according to this:

    8.2%-Have a risk to the fetus or mother or was raped
    23%-Is probably teenager

    69%-Are adults that don't want kids for various reasons.

    Then maybe adults should stop having premarital sex and not just teens.

    And if you add probably about 5% error it's more like 3%-13% are at risk of health or was raped.

    And if you include that people lie in statistics in their reasoning and that some of these abortions could be the result of rape and not being reported, you can basically take the statistics and throw it out.

    But if you wanna read into statistics:

    Nearly half of pregnancies among American women are unintended, and four in 10 of these are terminated by abortion. So, 6/10 unintended abortions go to term

    Twenty-two percent of all pregnancies (excluding miscarriages) end in abortion. 68 of all pregnancies result in a baby


    In 2005, 1.21 million abortions were performed, down from 1.31 million in 2000. From 1973 through 2005, more than 45 million legal abortions occurred. Whatever 45 million of 68% is

    Each year, about two percent of women aged 15-44 have an abortion; 47% of them have had at least one previous abortion 98% Of women aged 15-44 never had an abortion. and more than 99% of women 15-44 never had more than one abortion

    So yah statistics!
    All we need is love, music, and the KWEEN!

    Keeper of Triple Flip

    Keeper of Wildside

  9. #84
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    In the bright lights of the big city.
    Posts
    519

    Default

    It was amazing to see the director of planned parenthood step down after eight years of service to the organization. Just as some will always stand behind abortion, some will stand for life with equal fervor, and the debate will continue. I just wish people knew that debate was an exchange of words and not one involving random acts of violence, or carried out with hateful words, which, I believe, results from a violent mind.

    http://blog.enlightenedwomen.org/200...teps-down.aspx

    If this was discussed a few pages back, I apologize. I only went back two pages.
    "So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen. For what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal." 2 Corinthians 4:18

  10. #85

    Default

    Darkphoenix -- I was merely pointing out that if we are going to say the reason it should be included in health reform is because people are being raped -- then that only accounts for a smaller percentage. If someone wants to say -- it should be included -- because it is a person's right to have sex - a person's right to not use protection - or if such protection failed -- and a person's right to have an abortion-- then just say it -- why hide behind somebody being raped - when that isn't the highest percentage of why people are having them.

    If we want to say that all statistics are incorrect. Then - I guess we can make up any thing we want to. But bottom line is -- if a person believes abortion is right - then why defend the position - just believe. If a person believes abortion is wrong - then why defend the position - just believe.

    As was said above -- either way - why kill someone else for believing something different?

  11. #86
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    San Francisco
    Posts
    621

    Default

    Solidarity-that is an excellent point...murder is wrong when you're trying to "prove" a point.
    All we need is love, music, and the KWEEN!

    Keeper of Triple Flip

    Keeper of Wildside

  12. #87

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Solidarity View Post
    Darkphoenix -- I was merely pointing out that if we are going to say the reason it should be included in health reform is because people are being raped -- then that only accounts for a smaller percentage. If someone wants to say -- it should be included -- because it is a person's right to have sex - a person's right to not use protection - or if such protection failed -- and a person's right to have an abortion-- then just say it -- why hide behind somebody being raped - when that isn't the highest percentage of why people are having them.

    If we want to say that all statistics are incorrect. Then - I guess we can make up any thing we want to. But bottom line is -- if a person believes abortion is right - then why defend the position - just believe. If a person believes abortion is wrong - then why defend the position - just believe.

    As was said above -- either way - why kill someone else for believing something different?
    tell that to the families of abortion doctors who have been murdered and their clinics blown up.

  13. #88

    Default

    According to the Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network, 60% of sexual assaults go unreported. The American Medical Association says that "as few as 10 percent of sexual assaults are reported".

    It make one wonder how many of those people answered that they just don't want children were actually raped but are too afraid or ashamed to say so, or did say so and weren't believed.

    I wonder if the police would ever know about the young girl in Richmond, CA had another brave young girl not heard about it and reported it. We know that the people who actually witnessed (and gleaned great enjoyment from it) were not going to go to bat for her.

    If abortion rights are restricted to rape and incest victims, I wonder how they will go about weeding out the "false" reports. And we all know that rape victims looking for abortions will be called "liars".

    Quote Originally Posted by darkphoenix View Post
    My friend was raped and abused by her sister as a child for years and from then on she had an unhealthy sexual appetite.
    That is something else that the bible-thumping moralists overlook -- many "promiscuous" women are so because they have been sexually assaulted or abused.

  14. #89

    Default

    Thank you RA5.

  15. #90

    Default

    Biblical anti-Obama slogan: Use of Psalm 109:.8 funny or sinister?
    There’s a new slogan making its way onto car bumpers and across the Internet. It reads simply: “Pray for Obama: Psalm 109:.8”

    A nice sentiment?

    Maybe not.

    The psalm reads, “Let his days be few; and let another take his office.”

    Presidential criticism through witty slogans is nothing new. Bumper stickers, t-shirts, and hats with “1/20/09” commemorated President Bush’s last day in office.

    But the verse immediately following the psalm referenced is a bit more ominous: “Let his children be fatherless, and his wife a widow.”

  16. #91
    Join Date
    Oct 1999
    Location
    La La Land
    Posts
    3,034

    Default

    My assistant made a faux pas that kind of let me know where she stands. It was a slip about hoping Obama gets assassinated. I hear that a lot, and I don't remember ever hearing that about another president. It used to be enough to trigger an FBI investigation. Free speech is good, and having the right to protest a leader and/or his/her position is a great thing, but murder? Hmmm, no, I don't think I've ever agreed with that, no matter how much I've opposed someone in office. It's why we have term limits and voting and cool stuff like that.

  17. #92

    Default

    Just a bit of nit picking - threats against the president, vice president, candidates, their families and former presidents are the responsiblity of the US Secret Service. If you think the remark has any crediblity as a threat to the president, report it to the secret service.
    However, if the threat is based on the race of the threatened person the FBI has joint jurisdiction as a civil rights violation.

  18. #93
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Posts
    1,919

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by IzzyS View Post
    My assistant made a faux pas that kind of let me know where she stands. It was a slip about hoping Obama gets assassinated. I hear that a lot, and I don't remember ever hearing that about another president. It used to be enough to trigger an FBI investigation. Free speech is good, and having the right to protest a leader and/or his/her position is a great thing, but murder? Hmmm, no, I don't think I've ever agreed with that, no matter how much I've opposed someone in office. It's why we have term limits and voting and cool stuff like that.
    Your assistant obviously hasn't thought through the disastrous ramifications to this nation if her "hope" ever materializes. All I can say is that I NEVER want to have to see the autopsy photos of ANY president ever again -- nor would I want a president's family to have to endure such a horror. Seeing those of JFK, which were released in 1993, were nightmarish enough -- not to mention the Zapruder Film. Hearing of your assistant's "hope" three days before that sad anniversary of November 22 is dismaying to say the least. How anyone could possibly desire that to happen again is beyond me.
    “All the darkness in the world cannot extinguish the light from a single candle.”
    --Saint Francis of Assisi

  19. #94
    Join Date
    Oct 1999
    Location
    La La Land
    Posts
    3,034

    Default

    Rick, I was 4 when *it* happened, and I still remember that day. The years that followed were a nightmare. I remember the anxiety that was present everywhere when I was growing up. No one should ever joke about such a thing. It's certainly not funny, and it's pretty unpatriotic, as well. Hate him as much as you wish, work for the other candidate, but assassination? Never.

  20. #95

    Default

    After Tiller: Operation Rescue Picks New Target
    Since Dr. Tiller's assassination, Dr. Leroy Carhart has begun performing abortions "past 24 weeks" at his clinic in Nebraska. And, predictably, Operation Rescue has turned their attention to him.

    Monica Davey of the New York Times writes that before Tiller's murder, Carhart performed abortions up to 22 weeks at the Nebraska clinic. However, now that women can't go to Tiller, he says "there is a need" for later procedures, "and I feel deeply about it." He won't specify exactly how late he is willing to perform abortions — perhaps because anything after the 23rd week requires special consultation with him — but his fee schedule mentions procedures as late as the 27th week. Since he has begun providing this service, Operation Rescue has been directing at him some of the vitriol they once saved for Dr. Tiller. Says Operation Rescue president Troy Newman, "We're trying to get criminal charges against him, to get his license revoked, and to get legislators there to look at the law."

    Apparently this includes accusing Carhart of the very same "crime" they once tried to pin on Tiller. In 2006, the organization successfully persuaded a grand jury to investigate Tiller's role in the death of a 19-year-old woman named Christin Gilbert. Gilbert had Down syndrome, and became pregnant after she was raped. She received a late-term abortion at Tiller's clinic, and, tragically, died of complications several days later. According to an MSNBC story at the time, Operation Rescue and its anti-abortion allies wanted Tiller charged with "involuntary manslaughter, mistreatment of a dependent adult, and failure to report abuse of a child." The jury found Tiller innocent — and now Operation Rescue is trying to claim that Carhart was actually responsible for Gilbert's death.

  21. #96

    Default

    It is nice to see that 'Other Christians' are working for civil liberties and against the extremists who would like to co-opt a religion into a group of fanatical bigots.

    A friend of mine who is a Minister sent this along.
    Its a really good, concise blog:
    http://jeffolsson.blogspot.com/2009/...christian.html

    The second order of business is to recognize that the Christian conscience is already well cared for by the democratic process. Freedom of religious belief is well entrenched into the framework of all western democracies. You can go to any church you want, any time you want and you can believe what you want. You can also vote for whom ever you want, based on whatever platform you like. Start a new party if you want. Why then does the Manhattan Declaration make such a fuss about religious liberty in a society where everyone is basically free already? Right at the end of the document it states:

    "Because we honor justice and the common good, we will not comply with any edict that purports to compel our institutions to participate in abortions, embryo-destructive research, assisted suicide and euthanasia, or any other anti-life act; nor will we bend to any rule purporting to force us to bless immoral sexual partnerships, treat them as marriages or the equivalent, or refrain from proclaiming the truth, as we know it, about morality and immorality and marriage and the family. We will fully and ungrudgingly render to Caesar what is Caesar’s. But under no circumstances will we render to Caesar what is God’s."

    And there we have it. It's not good enough for these Christians to believe in a conservative set of values, they intend to impose those values on the rest of society. When the term "our institutions" is used they obviously mean the institutions of the state since I can think of no churches that do embryonic research etc.

    Therefore this must be seen as a call to civil disobedience. Can there be any doubt that this is actually a bigoted political movement based on conservative Christian values? It's an attempt to bully others into running society in a Christian way.
    Last edited by Sparks; December 13th, 2009 at 02:49 PM.

  22. #97

    Default

    Liberals are more dangerous than terrorists!
    http://minnesotaindependent.com/5293...ting-terrorism

    In March 2008, Oklahoma state legislator Sally Kern delivered a speech in which she declared that gays and lesbians were worse than terrorists. She received a lot of criticism for her remarks. When she later refused to apologize, Kern's fellow GOP lawmakers gave her a standing ovation.

    Now a conservative candidate seeking to challenge Representative Tim Walz for the First Congressional District seat in southern Minnesota has expanded on Sally's hysteria. Republican Allen Quist is claiming that liberals - whom he dubs "radicals" - are a bigger threat to the country than Islamic terrorists.
    http://www.progressivepuppy.com/the_...errorists.html

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_411620.html

  23. #98

    Default

    Guess what? Democrats are pedophiles too!

    Mike Parry, Minnesota State Senate Candidate, Defends Racist Twitter Message
    Last week, Minnesota State Senate candidate Mike Parry scrubbed from his Twitter account messages calling President Obama a "power hungry arrogant black man" and linking Democrats to pedophiles.

    Progressive bloggers preserved the offending messages.

    Confronted by reporters, Parry owned up to the Obama post and tried to explain himself -- but he didn't admit to writing, "what's with Dems and Pedophiles?" after the passing of the Matthew Shepard Act.

  24. #99

    Default

    Antis outside Louisville, KY clinic start wearing fake escort vests
    The blogger at Everysaturdaymorning, a pro-choice clinic escort in Louisville, KY, has posted pictures and video of the latest disgusting tactic from the antis outside their clinic: wearing fake escort vests.

    Escorts wear bright orange vests that say things like "Pro-Choice Clinic Escort" in an attempt to clearly identify ourselves to patients. Even so, the space outside a clinic where anti-choicers have gathered can be incredibly confusing for patients, those accompanying them, and even passers by on the street. Some protesters simply stand off to the side and pray. I don't like the atmosphere of shame they create, but it's the antis we call chasers or sidewalk stalkers who cause the biggest problems. They will do almost anything to harass people going in and out of a reproductive health clinic, which is why pro-choice escorts are necessary - we're not protesters, we're just trying to make it possible for women to access abortion and other medical care. Interactions happen so quickly, and the milieu outside a clinic can be so confusing for someone who didn't expect to be harassed by ideologues on her way to the doctor, that we already have to work hard to make it clear who works with the clinic and who is trying to get in a patient's way.
    Suspect in Holocaust Museum shooting dies
    James von Brunn, who was accused of killing a security guard at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in June, died Wednesday morning at a hospital in North Carolina, his attorney said.

    "He was just very sick," public defender A.J. Kramer said. "It is a sad end to a very sad occurrence."

    Von Brunn, 89, a self-avowed white supremacist, was a known Holocaust denier who created an anti-Semitic Web site called "The Holy Western Empire."
    LOL BYE B!TCH [/macro]

  25. #100

    Default

    Anti-abortion activist takes stand in murder trial
    An anti-abortion activist charged with gunning down a Wichita, Kansas, doctor took the stand in his own defense Thursday, testifying calmly over prosecutors' vigorous and frequent objections.

    Scott Roeder, 51, is charged with one count of first-degree murder in the death of Dr. George Tiller, who was shot to death at his church on May 31. Tiller ran a women's clinic where he performed abortions.

    Roeder testified that his anti-abortion beliefs "go hand in hand" with his religious beliefs. He said he became born again in 1992 after watching an episode of "The 700 Club."
    No manslaughter defense in abortion doc's slaying
    The judge in the trial of a man accused of murdering an abortion doctor dealt the defense a major setback Thursday, ruling that the jury cannot consider a lesser charge of manslaughter.

    The ruling came hours after Scott Roeder took the stand in his own defense and admitted killing Dr. George Tiller, saying he acted to save the lives of unborn children.

    Roeder's attorneys had hoped to win a lesser conviction of voluntary manslaughter, which requires them to show their client had an unreasonable but honest belief that deadly force was justified. The charge carries a considerably lighter sentence than murder.
    Activist Roeder convicted of abortion provider's murder
    A Kansas jury deliberated just 37 minutes before convicting an anti-abortion activist of first-degree murder in the fatal shooting of an abortion provider.

    The jury found Scott Roeder, 51, guilty of gunning down Dr. George Tiller, who operated a clinic in Wichita where late-term abortions were performed. Roeder, 51, faces life in prison when he is sentenced on March 9.

    Tiller's family said the jury reached a "just" verdict.

    "At this time we hope that George can be remembered for his legacy of service to women, the help he provided for those who needed it and the love and happiness he provided us as a husband, father and grandfather," the family said in a written statement.

Similar Threads

  1. Pit Bulls: Should they be eliminated?
    By DaveSato in forum Random Chat
    Replies: 39
    Last Post: June 27th, 2005, 07:58 AM
  2. Replies: 12
    Last Post: June 9th, 2002, 09:21 AM

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
kamagra oral jelly online
keflex
buy kamagra