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    Virginia lawmaker: Children with disabilities are God’s punishment to women who previously had abortions

    A certain person hasn't responded to this yet. Oh wait, Bob Marshall is a Republican. Must be satire.

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    Christian Hate Group ‘Repent Amarillo’ Terrorizes Texas Town, Harassing Gays, Liberals, And Other ‘Sinners’
    An evangelical Christian hate group called “Repent Amarillo” is reportedly terrorizing the town of Amarillo, Texas. Repent fashions itself as a sort of militia and targets a wide range of community members they deem offensive to their theology: gays, liberal Christians, Muslims, environmentalists, breast cancer events that do not highlight abortion, Halloween, “spring break events,” and pornography shops.

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    Its getting more and more dangerous out there.
    I was very distressed to wake up and hear that Democratic Congress people and Senators are receiving viable and alarming death threats.

    From "The Other Thread":
    Apparently, the dems are claiming they are receiving death threats. If this is true, I hope whomever is doing this is brought to justice. Some of the cases, there are no evidence to back up the claims, yet they are blaming Republicans for it. It makes me go HMMMMMMMMMMMMM, I don't believe a word of it.
    There is plenty of evidence!
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/25/he.../25health.html
    At least two Congressional district offices were vandalized and Representative Louise M. Slaughter, a senior Democrat from New York, received a phone message threatening sniper attacks against lawmakers and their families.
    I heard some of the "milder" voice messages this morning...they were scary and vile.
    There are voice recordings, pictures of vandalism. etc.
    What's there NOT to believe?

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    While doing some more research on the Right-Wing media's role or response to this latest outrage, I have come upon some more disturbing information.
    Fox and Friends, Hannity et. al., "Fox Nation", Glen Beck, & Newsbusters are among those who are minimizing the violence and are claiming that this is all perpetuated by DEMOCRATIC lawmakers. They are also offering lame justifications for violence.

    Many examples can be seen here:
    http://mediamatters.org/research/201003250019

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    All of the threats I've seen reported have been via verifiable sources: email, voicemail and actual physical damage (bricks and/or other projectiles through windows).

    The absolute worst was the cutting of a PROPANE GAS LINE (very dangerous for both homeowner & neighbors) at the home of a guy who's not even an elected official.
    How did he get singled out? Easy. He is the brother of a U.S. Rep & his HOME ADDRESS
    was published on two official Tea Party web sites.

    No, we don't know that Republicans are directly responsible for all of these actions.
    But we DO know that many Republicans are responsible for inciting this violence.
    Including, prominently, Sarah Palin, who has been urging her GOP followers
    to "reload" (her actual word) and "take aim" (her actual words) against people
    they don't agree with.

    It's pathetic & scary.
    Last edited by moxie; March 25th, 2010 at 02:11 PM.

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    Honestly, Moxie, what bothers me is not whether or not Republicans are responsible for these events as of late. We frankly don't know for sure, yet.

    What bothers me is that they're not openly and LOUDLY condemning them. Condemn those who shout racial epithets, condemn those who have made death threats against the President, condemn this religious fanatical party that is basically trying to associate itself with Republicans.

    Their downplaying and in some respects, utter silence frightens me more. Are you telling us that you're okay with these acts? Just trying to keep up with the party line?
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    The Republicans have openly denounced violence against the Democrats.

    http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo...acceptable.php

    Eric Cantor had shots fired at his office on Monday. He also denounced violence today in a press conference.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oc1gE7hsJKg

    Tensions are high because the majority of people did not want this bill to pass. Countless phone calls, emails, faxes and rallies fell on deaf ears. Congress needs to remember that they work for us. Their seats are not their seats, they are the people's seats and the White House is the people's house, not the President's house.

    And people aren't angry only about the bill, they're angry about the sleazy way it was done.

    We are at a crossroad, and have gotten to a point where right and left can no longer walk together. "Do two walk together unless they have agreed to do so?" At this point, they do not agree.

    The health care bill shows that there are two groups, those that want to take, and those that do not want to be taken. We cannot continue down this path and remain in disagreement, nor can we agree to disagree. One must part from the other, or one will eventually end up alongside the path as the other walks away.

    Conservatives want to be left alone. We have jobs and families. We actually have to sacrifice our personal time to attend town halls and tea parties. We are very animated now and Election day can't come soon enough. But by our very nature, we do not vandalize, threaten violence, assault or steal. We will DEFEND Life and Liberty from those who attack it and we will defend ourselves.

    I don't condone threats of physical violence of any kind, but those that voted against the will of the people need to remember that you reap what you sow. They didn't listen and now they will be hounded with threats of "I will do everything in my power to support your opponent and donate money to him to make sure you lose you seat."

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    This is funny since I live just an hour away from Amarillo I have never seen, heard, or even witnessed this in our area newspapers or TV stations or radio stations, any media of the sorts. This is really news to me.
    Kathy

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    Quote Originally Posted by IzzyS View Post
    My assistant made a faux pas that kind of let me know where she stands. It was a slip about hoping Obama gets assassinated. I hear that a lot, and I don't remember ever hearing that about another president. It used to be enough to trigger an FBI investigation. Free speech is good, and having the right to protest a leader and/or his/her position is a great thing, but murder? Hmmm, no, I don't think I've ever agreed with that, no matter how much I've opposed someone in office. It's why we have term limits and voting and cool stuff like that.
    IssyS I agree with your statement but do you not remember the movie that was put out while Bush was in office... Death of a President (2006) very offensive to me and a lot of others. But who put a stop to that? no one.
    Kathy

    "I'm a bit of the past, a bit of the present and, hopefully, some of the future."

    Michelle Kwan April 4, 2006

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katty52 View Post
    This is funny since I live just an hour away from Amarillo I have never seen, heard, or even witnessed this in our area newspapers or TV stations or radio stations, any media of the sorts. This is really news to me.
    Perhaps your local newspapers & TV stations are owned by business folks who
    don't want to make waves? Many local media outlets wouldn't touch a
    story like this, because they don't want to cause trouble with either side.

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    Their downplaying and in some respects, utter silence frightens me more.
    Silence is complicity.

    Moxie, not just Sarah Palin. There are many others. For example, John Boehner stated about one Democrat, "If he votes for the bill he is a dead man".

    Michelle Bachman is another who seems to be liable by whipping the protestors into a frenzy...just before the protestors began using foul, bigoted language against elected officials.

    AND yes, Eric Cantor's office was indeed shot at. I denounce that as well.
    His reaction:
    In brief and pointed remarks, Cantor said he would not be releasing any information about the other threats he's received, as some lawmakers have done, out of concern that it would "encourage more to be sent."

    And he admonished his colleagues -- specifically Rep. Chris Van Hollen, D-Md., and Democratic National Committee Chairman Tim Kaine -- for "dangerously fanning the flames by suggesting these incidents be used as a political weapon."
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...hot-overnight/
    I disagree with his reaction because any type of violence should be made public right away. AND making these acts public does not "dangerously fan the flames". It is the VIOLENCE that is dangerous, not the outcry against it.


    T&E's Mom - the HCB wasn't passed in a sleazy way. According to history, the same methods used were also used by Republicans many times in the past. I just don't think that Legislators who work in glass offices should throw stones.
    Countless phone calls, emails, faxes and rallies fell on deaf ears.
    Interesting. Did you ever think that MAYBE Democrats received MORE faxes, e-mails and phone calls supporting health insurance reform?
    The latest polls show that the majority of people polled support the legislation - once they heard the facts and started to focus on the content, rather than the process.
    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...id=rLBfG2MwVCd

    USA Today/Gallup asked whether Americans thought "it was a good thing or a bad thing that Congress passed this bill."
    This question concentrated on the passage of the bill, not the contents of the bill. Since Americans generally like to see their leaders take action, it's not surprising that this wording produced the highest positive response - 49 percent who approved of the 'passage' of the bill. The Gallup poll indicates that four in 10 say passage of the bill was a bad thing.
    CBS asked what Americans thought of "the current health care reform bill." Quinnipiac asked what Americans thought of "the changes in health care passed by Congress." These questions concentrated on the 'contents' of the bill. CBS indicated 42 percent approving of the bill; Quinnipiac indicated 40 percent approval. Forty-six percent of those questioned in the CBS poll disapproved of the bill, with 49 percent of those questioned by Quinnipiac disapproving of the legislation.
    "Some of the difference is no doubt due to the fact, noted in several CNN poll, that some Americans opposed the bill because it was not liberal enough." says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. "It's likely that people in this group still dislike the contents of the bill, but are pleased that a Democratic Congress got something done on this issue."
    The Republican leadership has been lying when they say that the American people did not want the passage of the bill.

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    I am not sure anyone can say the people doing violence are republicans or democrats until found and prosecuted. Crazy people do not need to be tied to a specific party -- they are just crazy.

    Do you remember the person who carved an "O" into their on face and then said someone who wanted Obama to win had done it?

    People's reasons for violence never make much sense.

    I pray for the politicians, for the country, and that the people who are on this path stop before someone truly gets hurt. (Reading these stories really shows that but for the grace of God we could be like some of these countries where violence is the norm and how people settle their differences -- not sure how much longer this country will have His grace).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparks View Post
    T&E's Mom - the HCB wasn't passed in a sleazy way. According to history, the same methods used were also used by Republicans many times in the past. I just don't think that Legislators who work in glass offices should throw stones.

    If Obama ran on hope and change and transparency and then was not transparent - meetings behind closed doors -- passing the bill in an "interesting" way -- doing the same thing Republicans did in the past -- then why not run on the platform of "more of the same - but pick me". My issue with people talking about what the republicans did in the past -- is that the President said "he wasn't going to do the same thing" -- "hope and change". Why not just say -- "hey -- I am going to do the same thing - pick me!". I could respect that a lot more than -- I am different (until I get elected) and then I am the same.

    Either way - extremism and violence is wrong (trying to stay on the topic).

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    Although there were proposals to pass the bill in "interesting ways" (deem and pass, etc.), in the end it was passed just like any other bill in the past 200+ years: The House passed a version & sent it to the Senate; the Senate made amendments, passed it & sent it back to the House; the House voted on the amended Senate bill & passed it, which by law made it ready for signing by the President. It was fully voted on all the way. (The same critics also said that the Democrats would just jam this through the Senate after Scott Brown was elected, and/or not seat him till the billed passed, and that didn't happen either.)

    And then, in separate legislation (which is not unusual), the House passed a bill that had a small number of amendments to the first bill & sent it to the Senate, which amended & sent it back. And since the House passed the amended bill tonight, it will go to Obama for signing.

    Just like any other bill.
    Last edited by moxie; March 25th, 2010 at 10:48 PM.

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    Although there were proposals to pass the bill in "interesting ways" (deem and pass, etc.), in the end it was passed just like any other bill in the past 200+ years: The House passed a version & sent it to the Senate; the Senate made amendments, passed it & sent it back to the House; the House voted on the amended Senate bill & passed it, which by law made it ready for signing by the President. It was fully voted on all the way. (The same critics also said that the Democrats would just jam this through the Senate after Scott Brown was elected, and/or not seat him till the billed passed, and that didn't happen either.)
    Wrong. The House passed their own bill and the Senate passed their own bill. The House said they weren't going to pass the Senate bill because it didn't have the public option and the Senate wasn't going to pass the House bill because it did. The plan was to come up with a bill that both could agree on and then Scott Brown won and things got put on hold. Then the House members were told bribed and threatened to pass the Senate bill as is with the promise of fixing it later on.

    And reconciliation was used in the past for budgetary items, not for major pieces of legislation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarynn@Elissa'smom View Post
    Wrong. The House passed their own bill and the Senate passed their own bill. The House said they weren't going to pass the Senate bill because it didn't have the public option and the Senate wasn't going to pass the House bill because it did. The plan was to come up with a bill that both could agree on and then Scott Brown won and things got put on hold. Then the House members were told bribed and threatened to pass the Senate bill as is with the promise of fixing it later on.

    And reconciliation was used in the past for budgetary items, not for major pieces of legislation.
    It is you who is wrong. The House passed their bill & sent it to the Senate.
    The Senate re-wrote it into their own bill (which is what always happens) & passed it (in December, prior to the Brown election). The House then had 2 choices: 1. amend the senate's bill & send it back to the senate or 2. pass the exact Senate bill (not a single word could be changed). They chose #2, which sent the Senate's bill (as amended from the original House bill) to Obama for signing.

    Then, the House created a short list of amendments that fit the budgetary requirement for reconciliation, passed it & sent it to the Senate. The Senate parliamentarian ruled that 2 sentences (about 16 words) could not be in a reconciliation bill because they weren't budgetary. So the Senate took these words out & passed the remaining amendments. And because the Senate made these changes, the amendments had to go back to the House for another vote. Which they did, tonight, so the amendments are now ready for Obama to sign.

    Now, IF the House had made any change at all in the amendments as passed by the Senate (acting on the revised House amendments), the bill would have had to be voted on by the Senate again. And so on. But that didn't happen, so the
    House & Senate bills are now fully reconciled & the process is over.

    Got it? Fully constitutional. And no different than how hundreds of bills have been passed throughout hundreds of years of U.S. history.

    By my count there have been 6 full votes of the health care bill: 3 on the main bill (2 by House, 1 by Senate) and
    3 on the amendments to reconcile (again, 2 by House and 1 by Senate).
    So the tea party/GOP/whatever "talking point" that "they didn't even vote on it" is hogwash.
    Last edited by moxie; March 26th, 2010 at 01:32 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solidarity View Post
    If Obama ran on hope and change and transparency and then was not transparent - meetings behind closed doors -- passing the bill in an "interesting" way -- doing the same thing Republicans did in the past -- then why not run on the platform of "more of the same - but pick me". My issue with people talking about what the republicans did in the past -- is that the President said "he wasn't going to do the same thing" -- "hope and change". Why not just say -- "hey -- I am going to do the same thing - pick me!". I could respect that a lot more than -- I am different (until I get elected) and then I am the same.

    Either way - extremism and violence is wrong (trying to stay on the topic).
    I agree with you on this - Yes, Obama did run on transparency.
    However, Obama as the President has no authority on the Congress and Senate's proceedural tactics, etc.

    More news about the shot at Eric Cantor's 'office'. Apparently, it is unclear if the shot was random. It pierced a window but did not disturb the blinds. This may indicate that the shot was fired into the air, rather than directly aimed at Cantor's office.
    Furthermore, the shot hit a window in the building - not at his office specifically. The office has NO signs identifying the office as Cantor's.
    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/vir...ting_cant.html
    Currently there are no suspects in the case, and it is unclear whether the bullet was targeted at the office or simply landed there at random. Police say a single detective is assigned to investigate the incident.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katty52 View Post
    This is funny since I live just an hour away from Amarillo I have never seen, heard, or even witnessed this in our area newspapers or TV stations or radio stations, any media of the sorts. This is really news to me.
    Are you saying that means it isn't real? Because I'm sure it's real to the people they've gone after. I've read enough of your posts to know that you don't have to worry about them coming after you.

    Repent Amarillo website

    Mission Statement - chilling

    Quote Originally Posted by moxie View Post
    Perhaps your local newspapers & TV stations are owned by business folks who
    don't want to make waves?
    Or maybe said business folks are members of the Texas Taliban Repent Amarillo and don't want to put their "brothers" on blast.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sparks View Post
    AND yes, Eric Cantor's office was indeed shot at.
    Actually, it's been confirmed by the police that
    1) The bullet that shot the window was a stray, shot from a far distance.
    2) It wasn't Cantor's office, it was the office of a political consultant that has worked on his campaign or campaigns in the past, as well as other politicians.
    3) The building was unoccupied at the time.
    4) The building is not even in Cantor's district, it is in Representative Bobby Scott's district. (Scott is a Democrat who voted FOR the bill.)

    Maybe that's why Cantor was so stingy with the deets.

    Quote Originally Posted by Solidarity View Post
    Do you remember the person who carved an "O" into their on face and then said someone who wanted Obama to win had done it?
    Actually, it was a "B". I guess it was supposed to be for "Barack" but it ended up being for "backwards", which is how she carved it into her face. Or maybe "b****", and a dumb one!


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    Terrorist Roeder gets life in prison
    "I stopped him so he could not dismember another innocent baby," Roeder said. "Wichita is a far safer place for unborn babies without George Tiller."



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    Man Requests Restraining Order Against Police So He Can Attack Abortion Clinic
    You see, Lo is Catholic (a decision he came to after researching on "Wikipedia and the Internet") and feels that that belief entitles him to use deadly force when he sees fit.

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    Terrorist McVeigh tells families: 'Get over it'
    Addressing the families directly, McVeigh said: "You're not the first grandparent to lose a granddaughter or a grandson. I'll use the phrase — and it sounds cold, but I'm sorry, I'm going to use it, because it's the truth — get over it."
    Virginia DMV Recalls Plate With Apparent Hitler Reference

    The picture of the license plate and truck has to be seen to be believed.
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