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    You know, I have been thinking about bracelet issue a lot. The more I think about it the more I wish that neither McCain or Obama had gone there.

    While I give McCain credit because:

    1. As Sarah Palin said, McCain is the only one in the election who has literally fought for this country. Obama never served (in fact, he has released no records of even registering) and Biden got something like 4 or 5 draft deferements.

    2. McCain easily recalled the name of the soldier on his bracelet while it was obvious that Obama had to look (seems the 72 year old has a better memory than the 48 year old, so much for McCain being on the edge of Alzheimers as his detractors try to claim, but I digress...)

    That said, I know families on both sides of the issue, and regardless of whether you take the side of "winning" so that those who died won't have died in vain, or just getting out because it is a no win situation and you don't want any more to lose their lives, there is always hurt involved when a candidate uses names of the fallen as part of the campaign.

    You have parents such as Cindy Sheehan who did not support the war from the get go. She feels that ending the war is the only way to find purpose in the loss of her son. Then, you also have other parents who supported the invasion and strongly feel that the loss of a son or daughter will be in vain if we don't have sense of success or victory.

    Either way, when candidates holds up bracelets and say names during a televised debate, even if they have the blessing of he family, there will be pain for one or possibly even both sides. That call out speaks for the feelings of one family, but what about the others who have a different point of view? IMHO, the candidates should respect both.

    It's just the "I've got a bracelet too" coming out of a guy who has no clue about what it is like to be in combat, just set me off.

    But further reflection got me to the point of wishing that no candidate would ever do this again.

    Editing to add:

    I posted the above before I read this article:

    http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/09...om-your-wrist/

    And listened to the first 14 minutes of this radio broadcast. Note the date: 3/20/2008:

    http://clipcast.wpr.org:8080/ramgen/...qwar5years.mp3

    The entire clip is worth a listen, but if you don't have time, the bracelet discussion starts around the 10-minute mark and ends around 14 minutes.

    At about 13:06 into the clip, according to the fallen soldier's father, the mother (his ex-wife) asked Obama to stop using the bracelet as part of the campaign. This was several weeks before the date of the March 20, 2008 radio interview. If that is the case, then out of respect, Obama should not have brought this up during the debate. If John McCain ignored a similar request, I would feel the same way.
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    I can't imagine an honorable war veteran like McCain would talk about the bracelet if the parent(s) of the fallen soldier had asked him not to talk about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MKGrace View Post
    I can't imagine an honorable war veteran like McCain would talk about the bracelet if the parent(s) of the fallen soldier had asked him not to talk about it.
    Me neither.

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    What if Obama loses? How should people respond? What should they feel? It's a common election-season concern, but it's all the more acute in the African-American community, where more people are paying attention to the campaign—and planning to vote—than ever.
    I disagree with the notion that the African American community holds exclusive rights to acuteness when a candidate that represents a huge part of your identity comes so far, so close and loses.

    Welcome to my world. Many of us who supported Hillary know exactly how you feel. If it comes down to Obama losing, then I think you will feel the same way as we felt: hugely disappointed with a sense of grief and loss. My only hope is that nobody dismisses you with the obscene remark that you should somehow "get over it."

    That said, I think Obama will win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GinnySmith View Post
    That said, I think Obama will win.
    Maybe, maybe not. I'm prepared for the worst--HW scammning his way into the White House--but he'll make a fool of himself and be out in four years.

    OTOH IIRC in 2000 and 2004 Gore and Kerry were leading in the polls going into election day and look what happened. The threat of an Obama-lead Amerikka is scary enough that I expect conservatives to come out in droves on election day. The Obots have managed to silence his critics and terrorize people into supporting him, but I expect some of that will evaporate when the person is at the polling booth without an Obot looking over their shoulder.

    There's still hope for this country, and not of the rainbow/citizen of the world/pipe dream variety.

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    Amen , that was a great post MKGrace.

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    The Obama Touch:

    http://roadsassy.com/2008/07/03/the-...verty-thrives/

    Understanding the disaster of an Obama presidency doesn’t require a road map. Just visit Chicago.

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    April 19, 2008: DemocracyNow2008 blogger instructs supporters on how to cheat in the AOL online poll. Official Excuse? Hillary Clinton supporters made them do it:

    http://my.barackobama.com/page/commu...gS5/commentary


    Presumably, you could use this for the candidate of choice....if you have no life.
    Last edited by probativev; September 29th, 2008 at 04:54 AM.

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    It should be noted that McCain has been a U.S. Senator since 1987 and Obama has been a U.S. Senator since 2005. The opensecret.org numbers that I presented are Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac contributions from 1989-present. Obama is second highest on the list and he has only been in office for less than one term, whereas others who have been in office for twenty-thirty years have much, much less money from those two corporations than he does. This does not speak well of Obama, who immediately in his first term snatches up all the corporate $$$ he can-only topped by Chris Dodd.

    Hope & Change indeed....

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    Apparently, Obama's campaign sought out a victim's clinic to find a woman who was raped to discuss pro-choice issue....
    http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonath...im_for_ad.html

    Pretty disgusting if you ask me....

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    "Being Black, independent, and for McCain"
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz4BZ1ahQPs
    "Never let anyone tell you
    you can't do it".

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    The kids sing for Obama: (a "grassroots video"....with production assistance from Jeff Zucker, President of NBC)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW9b0xr06qA

    That's just... a little Creepy to me.


    His supporters maybe shouldn't put stuff out that looks like this ..."Tomorrow Belongs to Me"... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdM8PDu6VMg
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    It reminds me more of the first 60 seconds of this clip - Santa Obama:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZFcMHfq3vc

    A different version:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGUvI...eature=related


    "Why try to govern a country when you can become a Saint?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabooke View Post
    "Being Black, independent, and for McCain"
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz4BZ1ahQPs
    This guy is great!!! He makes a great case and he's funny too! It's exhilirating to see black people standing up for what they believe in, speaking their minds and being independent thinkers in this great nation. That's true freedom and that's what this country is all about. Bra-vo!!

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    Alright question for you all: Obama is coming to my campus on Thursday and I literally live right across the street from where he is speaking. I am voting for McCain, but since this man may be the next president, it would be interesting to go and see him. I would most likely have to skip two classes if I went, and would be able to get the notes and what I missed afterward. Should I go?
    "Perfection is always a worthy opponent."
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    Sure- why not?

    In 2005 Hillary came to the college I work at and I was able to meet her. It was a really interesting experience and all the secret service stuff was pretty cool.

    Have fun.
    "When there's nothing left to lose, there's nothing left to fear" ~~~Bryan Adams

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    Quote Originally Posted by lightsout View Post
    The kids sing for Obama: (a "grassroots video"....with production assistance from Jeff Zucker, President of NBC)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW9b0xr06qA

    That's just... a little Creepy to me.


    His supporters maybe shouldn't put stuff out that looks like this ..."Tomorrow Belongs to Me"... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdM8PDu6VMg
    They were getting so many negative comments when they first posted this, they took it down and reposted with comments disabled. Here is a link to a copy with comments enabled:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTm5rp8r6fE

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    Some additional information about Obama is beginning to come out. Oh how I wish the MSM would do their job and properly vet this man (it's troubling)...Does anyone know specifics about Khalid al-Mansour?

    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.p...w&pageId=74877

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    Yes no one has the backbone to actually thoroughly vet BO. Hillary is thrown under the bus by the DNC and the media. Sara Palin becomes the rep VP nominee and is slammed from the get go. Critics of BO are accused of being racist or threatened. I'm sick of it and I can actually say that I will be changing my affiliation to independent after the election. I've never been disgusted with an election cycle as I have been with this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KwanPassion View Post
    Alright question for you all: Obama is coming to my campus on Thursday and I literally live right across the street from where he is speaking. I am voting for McCain, but since this man may be the next president, it would be interesting to go and see him. I would most likely have to skip two classes if I went, and would be able to get the notes and what I missed afterward. Should I go?
    Just my 2 cents, sure why not, if you are curious or if you want to learn more about him. Until election day you still have a choice to change your mind and the reason why the candidates are running around campaigning is to make their cases to you personally. Don't short-change yourself of the chance to participate.

    I personally wouldn't be able to stomach being in the same room with him so I would probably leave town for the night if he's to speak across the street from me, but I would encourage anyone who wishes to see him to go.
    Alexa

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    I agree with Probative, I can't stomach his arrogance and lies. He distorts and misleads at every turn. That said, you certainly shouldn't skip it because he bothers me

    If you are at all curious, I think that is your answer; you should go. If you go, have fun and do report back to all of us!

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    Quote Originally Posted by probativev View Post
    I personally wouldn't be able to stomach being in the same room with him so I would probably leave town for the night if he's to speak across the street from me, but I would encourage anyone who wishes to see him to go.
    Same here, nor would I want to be anywhere near a bunch of rabid, brainwashed Obamaites for risk of infection ( ). But that doesn't mean KwanPassion shouldn't go. I hope he/she did go just for the experience.

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    I voted for McCain today. When I was in line (waiting to get my sheet to fill out so I could get a ballot) there was 3 people telling me that McCain isn't really any different then George Bush because he's still a Republican (I never told them I was voting McCain. I guess I just looked like I could be voting for McCain). I thought these are some passionate Obama people. Then when we were leaving these same people were telling other people the same thing as what they told me. It's some kind of organizing pressure. I also saw a couple a Dems (they passed out Dem "this is who to vote for" leaflets) taking about 15ish "homeless" people to vote. I heard a couple of them say (with a few more nod) say they didn't want to vote now. Then the Dems said if you want the $20's then you will vote and like we discussed. I know this what happens every election I just never had to face it before.

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    isn't that illegal? it should be reported.
    You show people what you're willing to fight for when you fight your friends.
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    I think it would be illegal. I reported it to a McCain headquaters staff worker I kinda know and she said the Dems get a way with this stuff but she'll add to the growing list they are getting.

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