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  1. #26
    skatingfan Guest

    Default K99

    Glad to read about your experience too.

    Thanks for joining the Korngold team, no need to add anything in your title or sig line.

  2. #27
    skatingfan Guest

    Default Re: K99

    oh, I see the new addition to the sig line

  3. #28
    Klier99 Guest

    Default Korngold Mystery Solved!

    I knew I had a hunch!

    Okay, here it is in the liner notes:
    In 1934 Korngold came to Hollywood with the Austrian director Max Reinhardt.... He wrote virtually nothing but film scores during the war years. In 1945, however, encouraged by Heifetz, Korngold completed a violin concerto he had been persuaded to undertake in 1937 by another great violinist, Bronislaw Huberman. Though ultimately written for Heifetz, the work is dedicated to Gustav Mahler's widow, Alma, whom Korgold knew through his teacher, composer Alexander Zelinsky.
    Heiftetz gave the premiere of the concerto with the Saint Louis Symphony Orchestra under Vladimir Golschmann on February 15, 1947. It is a work in which the soloist dominates. Although the principal themes are drawn from material Korngold had composed for the films "Another Dawn," "Juarez," "Anthony Adverse" and "The Prince and the Pauper," its 3 movements comprise a full-blooded concerto in the composer's late Romantic melodic style, a style to which Heifetz was especially responsive.

    --See, I KNEW there was some movie-influence behind it!

    I agree with you, skatingfan, about learning music and having a natural affinity to it -- that's why I'm not a musician by profession, either! But I do think it really helps a person, as a listener, to appreciate more of the subtleties. However, I also think that some people have more of an affinity for mathematics and the sciences -- especially mathematics. My difficulties in calculus when I was in high school made me realize that engineering or physics would be extremely difficult for me to study in college. However, there are many students who have more of an innate mathematical understanding, and it comes naturally to them. I guess I just wasn't one of those people!
    That's inspiring to hear about your aspirations as a child to win a Nobel prize in medicine/chemistry/physics. If only I was that ambitious, perhaps I would have gone into research like you did...

    ...JH = John's Hopkins University, right? THAT is a prestigious institute, needless to say! What a medical school... When I was looking into biochemistry Ph.D. programs before deciding on dentistry instead, this was probably the most intimidating and competitive programs I dreamed about.

  4. #29
    skatingfan Guest

    Default Re: Korngold Mystery Solved!

    I think among MK forumers, probably SJB has the highest chance of winning a NObel prize

  5. #30
    Join Date
    Jan 2000
    Atlanta, GA

    Default Re: Korngold Mystery Solved!

    skatingfan thinks for the encouragement. I am feeling better about things now.

    I am not in any way musically inclined. My husband and son are. Our son is taking piano lessons. He has been playing now for 3 years. He learned all of his scales his first year. Right now he is in a mode of where he is learning a song and we are trying to get him to perfect it. He is sort of like you K99 He is a boy and right now to him there is more interesting things other then playing the piano We encourage him and we won't let him give up the piano. He is good at playing the piano.

    Does anyone have any suggestions for us to help him realize how good he is? We tell him but I think when it comes from us it doesn't mean a whole lot. I know his piano teacher tells him how good he is. Maybe hearing it from his peers would help him too.

  6. #31
    Klier99 Guest

    Default Re: Korngold Mystery Solved!

    Hi Beth2000,

    Does your son's piano teacher have student recitals that she/he could ask him to participate in? Maybe if he were able to work together with another music student on a duo/trio etc., that might provide some more fun possibilities. It's a lot more fun when there are other people your age to collaborate with. Some teachers also have students record themselves so that they can sit back and actually listen to the improvement they are making. When you're working by yourself on the same piece, its hard to hear the improvement, but if you can listen to yourself on tape, you begin to realize how far you've actually come! Good luck to him with his piano studies.

    I hope that situation with the other inconsiderate parent has resolved well for you. From what you described, that just seemed awfully unfair to you even though you did the right thing.

  7. #32
    skatingfan Guest

    Default Beth, warning this is long

    Glad to hear that your son is learning piano. Good that your are nuturing his talent.

    I think the piano is an amazing instrument Is there another instrument that have the keys all set in front of you, and you know exactly what note you are hitting even for a beginner? OTOH it is not an easily portable instrument, pianists play music alone . Of course when it comes to the day to day practice, everyone practices alone. For the string and wood wind players they have better chance to make music with their friends after a lengthy time of hard work. A lot of times when you have a chance to play with your friends sometimes or usually it is in the context of accompanying the violinist/cellist etc virtuoso, they play the beautiful part and you play the orchestra part.
    Just joking, not fair!

    When I was in HS, I actually liked the choir better than the piano.

    I wish your son the best.

  8. #33
    Join Date
    Jan 2000
    Atlanta, GA

    Default Re: Beth, warning this is long

    thanks y'all!!

    K99 yes our son has a recital every year. He looks so forward to it too. That is when he really buckles down. His piano teacher has a point system. If they practice everything they get points, so at the recital they get trophies for their hard work. This year our son wants a gold medal and a trophy so his teacher said she would check into it. Also thanks for the encouragement. Now this lady wants to go have lunch with me tomorrow. Something is up. I think the Director of the school may have had a talk with her. I don't know. I am very skeptical about this.

    skatingfan our son also takes voice lessons. He loves to play and sing!! With him being dyslexic I am glad he loves music. I figured if he can't go to college for academics he can go for music. Wasn't there a musician that was dyslexic?

  9. #34

    Default my boring love for music story...short novel LOL!

    i feel in love with music..... i think when i was 12. since then, everytime a music that i like comes on, i pretend that i was a member of that band playing drums(mostly) and guitar.
    14 years old- when i started playing guitar then my interest really grew stronger on drums.
    1992- bought my first drum set and took a private lesson. 2 months later, i quit because i don't have the patient for it.
    anyway, my love for music are both listening and playing. i do have much appreciation for classical music than any other kind of music.

  10. #35
    skatingfan Guest

    Default Re: my boring love for music story...short novel LOL!

    Thanks for sharing your story. Now tell me about the other Michelle, you like her music b/c she is uplifting, peaceful, set you in a mood to praise?

  11. #36

    Default Re: my boring love for music story...short novel LOL!

    eoe, lyra angelica, theme from "dr. quinn medicine woman", morning(grieg), nutcracker and the likes are my kind of classical music. can you recommend more of the same kind?
    imagining michelle skating to any of the music that i mentioned above and any christian music just make it more meaningful and sends chill to my spine.

  12. #37
    Klier99 Guest

    Default Joshua Bell: Sibelius and Goldmark vln ctos

    Has anyone heard this CD of Joshua Bell performing the Sibelius and Goldmark violin concertos? If so, what did you think/would you recommend it?

  13. #38
    Join Date
    Apr 1999

    Default Everything I know about classical music

    I learned from Bugs Bunny 8) Well at least that is the first place I can recall being exposed to it. Who can forget Bugs Bunny in wig and breast plate being chased by Elmer Fudd singing 'Kill the Wabbit'?!?! Anyhoo that was my start. I took a few weeks of lessons to try to learn the french horn with my best friend in my teens but it didn't 'take'. Before that I was in chorus but didn't want to stay after school to practice so ended that after a year. I still love music especially classical. I really got into it and wanting to buy classical music because of figure skating. That is one of the reasons I prefer elegible skaters to pros. Also I like to listen to the radio when I read but music with lyrics is distracting so I tune into the local classical station. I really like new age/space music. I like some country mostly the older stuff because that is what my parents always listened to as a kid (George Jones, Tom T. Hall, Hank Williams Sr., Johnny Cash, Johnny Horton, Merle Haggard) along with a mix of classic & modern rock/pop music I picked up on my own. I can like one or two songs by a singer/group and not care at all for the rest of their stuff or even the rest of that type of music. Maybe this makes me weird { } but that is the way I am.

    For comfort music I usually listen to my cd of Barber's Adagio for Strings or Pachobel's Cannon in D. These can help me cry if I need to let out sad feelings as they are so heartbreakingly beautiful. Or I will just listen to anything especially beautiful, sometimes I listen to music Michelle Kwan has skated to because it reminds me of her skating which is so beautiful.

  14. #39
    skatingfan Guest

    Default Shallah, Barang and K99

    Shallah, LOL Bugs bunny.

    Barang, I think if you like Lyra Angelica, you will love Shallah's selection of Samuel Barber's adagio for string, Pachabel's cannon. If you go to the archive and look up classical music #1 thread, there are a lot of recommendations. I will look up some for you next week. Quite busy currently. BTW, the AV of the classroom was awesome,

    K99, Collegejock21 knows the Goldmark well, he said that it is a good v cto. You may want to post a thread calling for his attention. My local radio played the Goldmark/Bell a few weeks ago. I decided to put it in my to buy list. My first impression of it is that it is not in anyway spectacular, but it is a good v cto. I liked the 2nd movement the best. At the time of listening I was a bit scattered brain. I also lost a cd with the Sibelius, so definitely I will buy the Goldmark/Sibelius/ Bell album.

  15. #40
    Join Date
    Apr 1999

    Default Barang if you like classical music

    skaters have used you might want to look up what the names of the pieces used are. This site might help you find more good music by skaters:

  16. #41

    Default love to add some classical music to my collection.

    skatingfan-i will go by what you recommend because i am in the dark when it comes to it. you are the expert and you are my guide. thank you.
    i'm glad to hear that the av are functioning properly and that you're satisfied with the system.
    there's a college here that broadcast their classes via tv.
    but i don't know if they still doing it. maybe the set up is similar to yours?

    shallah-i forgot how those musics sounds like, LOL! i know i watch every skating where michelle is in but hers are the only ones i remember.
    thanks for the link, you are very helpful.

  17. #42
    Klier99 Guest

    Default Re: love to add some classical music to my collection.


    Do you remember, skatingfan, when you said Kennedy pretty much butchered the Tchaikovsky D Major violin concerto? Well, I heard this AWFUL, and I mean REALLY AWFUL 70ish butchering of the first movement of Beethoven's 5th symphony. I don't know what this synthesizer disco junk was, but they were taking and repeating snippits from the symphony all out of sequence, with the wrong rhythms and chord changes to a disco beat. What were they thinking? Was this an attempt at bad comedy? It was so unbearable and in such bad taste, that it ruined my lunch and I had to get just get up and leave the building. Maybe that's why I was so grouchy in the religion and politics thread!

  18. #43
    skatingfan Guest

    Default I know

    I remember that, yes, it was major butchering. I think in the 70s some people were using synthesizer for JS Bach's music too. I havent visited the religion/politics thread much. Since I have a baseline of being a grouch, maybe I better avoid that.

    Nice that you know so much "perk me up" music I am sure you can find some music to take the horrible Beethoven 5th synthesizer off your mind. Not that you need any recommendation, but how about Bach/Gounod Ave Maria, or Saint Saens sym #3 the organ symphony, what a glorious piece of music. I am willing to give Kennedy and Vanessa Mae another listening, just need to find a the right pieces of music.

    Last week my local radio played Anna Sophie Mutter/ Vivaldi Summer. Her interpretation is VERY different from most. I wouldn't say she butchered Summer, but just very very different. There is no cripsness to it, very sobbing or sap do I make sense. Unfortunately I was in my car, there was no way for me to escape, so I told myself, SF keep hang in there, and I survived OK. .

  19. #44
    Klier99 Guest

    Default Anne-Sophie Mutter

    has a very wide vibrato, and she does a lot of portamento, too (sliding between notes). Your "sobby/sap" description is great -- that's exactly the sort of feel I get as well. It works well with heavy/late romantic works, but definitely not for baroque!

    I actually haven't heard too much of Vanessa Mae's music, but I'm not that interested in the electric violin-souped up-techno-new-age, leather and chains kind of classical interpretations , so maybe that's why! Kennedy definitely sounds rough around the edges, so I wouldn't recommend any "standard" concerti except maybe his recording of the Sibelius. However, I have read that many British fans support his 2 recordings of the Elgar concerto (neither of which have I heard in entirety). Whether that has some nationalistic interest behind it, I'm not so sure, but I think Kennedy would definitely understand the cultural influences upon Elgar's violin concerto.

    The funny thing about Saint-Saen's Organ Symphony is that I wasn't a big fan of it until after Paul Wylie used it as the last section for his "Henry V" Olympic long program in 1992. I was so impressed with that performance that each time I hear the symphony, I think of the silver-medal skate (which should have been closer to gold in my opinion ).

  20. #45
    skatingfan Guest

    Default Mozart, Mozart, Mozart

    They say today is the 100th anniversary of the death of Verdi, and they are playing parts of the Verdi requiem right now. The Dies irae (day of wrath) is fearfully awesome!

  21. #46

    Default klier, skatingfan and others...

    This is *sort of* OT, but have you ever heard the Dave Matthews Band? They are my all-time fav group...I am in love with their music. The only reason I mention them here is because their music is probably the most classically-based out of any major group today (some colleges have even studied them exclusively in music theory courses). Their band even features a *violinist*, klier. I posted some clips of their music in a different thread, so please stop by and take a listen and let me know what you think!

  22. #47
    Lara F Guest

    Default New finds

    Well, today I downloaded some new classical pieces on Napster. Also, I discovered that the Naxos ( ) website has *complete* recordings you can listen to! Talk about a great find. One new piece I liked was Robert Schumann's piano concerto in A minor (Opus 54). I'm surprised it hasn't been skated to by now (at least not to my knowledge).

  23. #48
    Klier99 Guest

    Default angelofmine223

    Yes, I love the Dave Matthew's Band (from Charlottesville, VA -- woohoo!!!), but haven't actually spent the money to buy one of their albums. The violinist, Boyd Tinsley (sp.) is awesome!

  24. #49

    Default Re: Mozart, Mozart, Mozart

    skatingfan- i used to have more than 2000 cds untill i sold most of them because they're filling up my room fast. but before i got rid of them, i recorded some on tapes. so today, i went to my music archive to check for what shallah had recommended. i found 1, adagio for trumpet and organs(albinoni) oh! i love it. i also found carnivals of the animals, cavalleria rusticana, berceuse, landman, eljen a magyar, perisian march and more.
    there is also one that she posted, arabesque(?) i like that one . do you by any chance have this one. is it worth buying the cd? i ask this because as you well know that most of the cds have 2 or 3 good songs in it.

    shallah- if you're reading this, would you recommend it. can you give me the name of the cd if you have one please. i heard arabesque and ode to joy before but didn't know the titles, now i know, thanks.

  25. #50
    Klier99 Guest

    Default Owens & Berlioz' Symphonie Fantastique (Un Bal)

    Well, I posted earlier in the Classics #2 thread about Hector Berlioz' Un Bal (2nd movement) from his Symphonie Fantastique being perfect for Michelle. I thought no one had used it before, but today during the Nationals Exhibitions clip on the devastating plane crash of 19__, they talked briefly about a skater, Laurence Owens. The music in the background for her skating clips was none other than...

    yep, you guessed it... Un Bal from Berlioz' Symphonie Fantastique...

    So I guess if Michelle were to use it, it wouldn't be the first time. However, it still is relatively rare, I believe, and would be PERFECT to highlight Michelle's grace.


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