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Thread: Why do people prefer World's Aranjuez to National's Aranjuez?

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    something that "almost" bugs me about the Nationals' performance: the speed of the flying camel. it was noticeably slower at Nationals from what i remember. i also like that fact that she added more variation w the Y-spin on the last sit at Worlds~
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    I loved both of them. They were both Kwan. The Nationals version showed me she was the Kween and the Worlds version showed that to everyone else. Dick Button talking about not giving a rusty hoot and then his "giggle" at the end of her program from sheer delight was heartwarming to hear.

    The one thing that really got to me other than her final footwork (which had more abandon at Worlds and more depth at Worlds) was the replay from the back of her final position. As she rose with her arms out and palms up, the crowd rose with her. It was chilling and beautiful. It was like she pulled the audience up with her-to their feet. No one, and I mean no one, has ever done that as far as I can remember. And I don't think anyone will ever do that again. She just showed she was the Kween. End of story.

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    Having read all the posts here so far, I think over 70% of us like the Worlds' version better, for one reason or another. But if I remember correctly, the response from the media was somewhat different - many articles praised Michelle's performance after the Nationals, saying it was so good that it could have won Michelle the men's title as well and that she skated with magic and technical prowess; but the reaction was very different after Worlds, with one article in particular saying Michelle didn't even connect with the audience at all and she was in a world of her own being very cautious throughout the program.

    I just find it very interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guesswho View Post
    Having read all the posts here so far, I think over 70% of us like the Worlds' version better, for one reason or another. But if I remember correctly, the response from the media was somewhat different - many articles praised Michelle's performance after the Nationals, saying it was so good that it could have won Michelle the men's title as well and that she skated with magic and technical prowess; but the reaction was very different after Worlds, with one article in particular saying Michelle didn't even connect with the audience at all and she was in a world of her own being very cautious throughout the program.
    The unfortunate person that believed that she was "cautious and didn't connect with the audience" at World's, must have been blind and deaf!

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    Quote Originally Posted by taf View Post
    I was at both Nats & Worlds, and I think the Nats version is better, both in technique & presentation. Worlds got a bigger reaction because it was a larger arena and I believe part of it was the fact that it was an international. But she skated with that much fire at Nationals. BTW, TFB was much better at Nats too IMO.

    Also the reaction from the US commentators was better at Worlds. At Nats, they were all being politically correct regarding the commentating for Sarah H. She was the reigning OGM and I think they expected her to do better. Dick even talked like the judges would have a hard time deciding between Michelle & Sarah.....when I watched my tape later I couldn't believe my ears. I don't know what it looked like on TV but Sarah's silver at Nats was a gift. Jenny K should have been placed 2nd in the short & Ann Patrice should have been 2nd in the long. Sarah & Sasha both made a lot of sloppy mistakes. But by Worlds, they had all jumped off the Sarah bandwagon.
    How true those US commentators to be politicall correct.

    I watched the both from TV screen, I like Nats better. Like you said technique was perfect for what she did. Presentation wise was much more emotional since this was the first big comp after her 'dissapointed' SLC just 10 month ago.....I became a diehard fan since then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guesswho View Post
    Having read all the posts here so far, I think over 70% of us like the Worlds' version better, for one reason or another. But if I remember correctly, the response from the media was somewhat different - many articles praised Michelle's performance after the Nationals, saying it was so good that it could have won Michelle the men's title as well and that she skated with magic and technical prowess; but the reaction was very different after Worlds, with one article in particular saying Michelle didn't even connect with the audience at all and she was in a world of her own being very cautious throughout the program.

    I just find it very interesting.
    That MK's Nat program could have won her the men's title isn't much of a compliment -- the men's event at 2003 Nats is something that Dick Button described as "the debacle of all time" or words to that effect. IIRC, the men's champ (MIchael Weiss) did not do a clean triple axel or a clean quad, fell, and ended up with five clean triples, whereas MK also did not do a clean triple axel or a clean quad, but did six triples and did not fall.

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    I like the Nationals version slightly better. The look on her face right as she started the footwork sequence and the tears in her eyes at the end say it all. The spins may have been better at worlds, but the jumps were better at Nationals, I think. How lucky we are to be able to debate this.
    Good grief! The comedian's a bear!

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    You said it Fozzie Bear. How lucky we are to be able to debate this. Isn't it great to have so much greatness with which to argue about which was the greatest? Thank you Michelle for giving us greatness. We are forevermore grateful and spoiled for any other attempts to reach your level of greatness.

    Only Heaven could send us such an angelic skater.

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    the men's event at 2003 Nats is something that Dick Button described as "the debacle of all time" or words to that effect.
    LOL. After the Men's debacle and the Pairs blood bath, when the ladies began to skate, my sister said, "Amber Corwin could have won the men's title"...Not bashing sweet Amber, just saying how painful the men were to watch. All the Ladies were so refreshing to watch that night in Dallas.

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    Actually I have always loved Amber Corwin, she's such a trouper. Her costumes usually go very well with her music. I believe Peggy said Amber designed her own outfits, right? I was particularly impressed with her short program at 2004 Nationals where she delivered a clean 3toe-3toe. She probably is one of the most consistent skaters when it comes to nailing that combo. Way to go, Amber!

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    Did Amber ever get a medal at Nationals? I am thinking she got pewter one recent year, didn't she?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwinnerA View Post
    Did Amber ever get a medal at Nationals? I am thinking she got pewter one recent year, didn't she?
    TwinnerA, as far as I remember, Amber never won a medal at Nationals and her best showing was a fifth place finish.

    If any of you knows the fact, please correct me. Thanks.

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    Twinner A is right. Amber Corwin placed 4th in Nationals in 2004, earning the pewter. It was very well deserved and we were hoping that she would land on the podium in years to come. She's a hard working skater and a fine competitor.
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    Amber's 3-3 looks really bad no offense. Actually all her jumps look really bad, just watch her 2006 nats performance.

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    I always liked Amber's skating. She was not the best skater out there at that time but she was good. I always thought she was under marked. In the K&C I always felt sorry for her because of her low marks. JMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guesswho View Post
    Terry Gannon had made fun of Dick because he too had to stand up and applaud?
    I remember Terry Gannon saying at 2003 Worlds: "When they're out of their seat before the music even ends and Dick Button's clapping in the booth, you know you've done your job".

    DICK: "I know I shouldn't have been clapping but, I couldn't HELP it". *Camera Cuts To Show Michelle In Her Pearly Whites

    Plus, what made it special is, Dick Button "whimpered" at the end of her 2003 Worlds program

    PLUS, while listening to the crowd during Michelle's footwork from Nationals/Worlds, the crowd was MUCH MUCH louder at Worlds, if you listen to it just right


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    lol I mainly just liekd it at worlds better because thats teh performance I saw first- soo yeah lol- but I really love nationals too I really can't decide

    and your right she had to hold on to her 3 toe- 2 toe at worlds but I always try to overlook that teensy tiny little boble lol- I also personally htink the end of the worlds one seemed more freer
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    the only World's I've attended was 2003 D.C. - and I had ordered tix the second they became available so had terrific seats - 2nd level up but by the kiss and cry area. It was just magical - Michelle was gorgeous and wonderful in both the short and the long and crowd went absolutely bonkers on her footwork that covered the distance of the ice - and went so well with the music. everyone in my seating section were high 5-ing like they were life-long friends who had all won the lottery.

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    How can I decide when I can't watch either without crying.
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    My vote goes for Worlds, but this is really a toughie! It was incredibly emotional watching her compete at Nationals with that performance, but I think even moreso at Worlds. And yes, I was there...standing (actually jumping) long before that music ended. The love the crowd had for Michelle, and what Michelle felt towards the crowd and the sport was palpable. That is what makes it so special for me. When she took her place on that podium, tears streaming down her face, I believe we all felt that with her. She was back...and where she belongs.

    At Worlds, the crowd was so loud that the control booth had to raise the volume of the music! When I watch the tape, I can still hear the moment when they jack it up a notch...to Kwan level Aggie was sitting next to me in DC and she mentioned it as it was happening!

    How sweet it is to have this debate!
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    This is like asking 'What do you like better a tastey New York Strip Steak, or a lobster tail"
    ummm...I will take either?
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    i also prefer the worlds' version of aranjuez. mostly b/c she was just gone, especially towards the end. she let loose her emotions and turned a beautiful performance. this is not to discredit her nats performance, though. i think both performances were special in their own way. it just depends on what you saw her do, and what your preference is.

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    Ilike both for all the reasons everone has stated. Nats is so perfect technically, so calm, so masterful, it is amazing to watch and I love to marvel at it.

    But worlds is the tape that I get out in the evening after the kids and husband have gone to sleep and it's been a hard day and I need to watch something that will help me release the stress and be uplifted. The closeup of the look on her face before the flip never fails to give me pleasure - you just know she's got it - she's going to be fine. By the time she gets to the footwork I'm tearing up and by the end pose I'm sobbing just like the first time I saw it. Then her excitement in the kiss and cry after she sees the 6's is a satisfying little exclamation point.

    I loved seeing nats and I enjoy watching it again, but worlds is the performance I treasure, and always will.

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    I always thought if you could put Nat's footwork into World's program it would been beyond perfect.
    I miss her too.
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    just finished reviewing 03 nat, 03 world and 04 nat ... the roar in the arena from the moment she took the ice and the final explosive cheers as she was doing her foot work ... makes me say "ahhhhhhh~" each time i watch these performance, i get chills, tears (happy ones) and joy that words can't even describe ... only MK can carry the audience like this. i think it'll be a long long long time until we see another skater get such roar as her name is announced and these explosvie joyous cheers that goes on forever even after last note of her music ends. She's just an amazing skater, competitor and a wonderful person!!! I MISS HER!!!
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