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Thread: Why do people prefer World's Aranjuez to National's Aranjuez?

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    Quote Originally Posted by missmarysgarden View Post
    I like Worlds best. It was a "happening!" For a lot of reasons - most of which have already been stated.

    What some describe as "holding back" - Dick described as a "calmness" - I experienced it as a "mastery." After the first minute, I lost all my nervousness and just KNEW that she was going to win, and it would be explosive. For me, her footwork at Worlds was superior to nationals because of its abandon, its joy, its energy. She skated it like a victory lap! I loved it. I love it every time I watch. And for me, it is clearly superior to nationals as a piece of work. God, I love it.

    I totally agree, Dick described it as "an ease and a solidity". She moved through each element one by one perfectly, she was totally in the zone.
    It reminded me of an episode of "M*A*S*H", when Hawkeye was complaining to Charles that he was taking too long with each of the patients in surgery, and he calmly replied "I do one thing at a time, I do it very well, and then I move on"

    Her footwork sequence was just glorious, her blades seemed to float over the ice, and that final spin, and rising slowly inviting all to rise with her and share in that one shining moment, seeing and hearing the arena erupt with cheers and applause, and finally, watching Michelle take it all in and shake her head and smile as if she were thinking "It just doesn't get any better than this".

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    I totally loved the look of complete nonchanlance on her face as she went into her 3-flip.

    It was a look that said, "Phhft....this flip is a walk in the park. I don't know why people make such a to-do over it. I'd rather be doing 3-flips than anything else in the world."
    I believe!

    I remain totally in AWE of Michelle Kwan.

    This season just hasn't been the same without her.


    I miss seeing her on the ice.
    I think I always will...
    IF...she steps onto it again
    Oh...my heart stand still....

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    I think she skated Aranjuez more cautiously at Worlds because there were those huge puddles at the ends of the rink. They were distracting. I think that's what made her 3T/2T go wonky. and I seem to recall that she changed the location of her second lutz accordingly. I also remember her taking a long moment after the final pose (one of the best final poses ever) before going to center ice for bows. I felt as if she was thinking "What if this is it?"

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    I don't think Michelle paid any attention at all to the water - as a matter of fact, I agree with Dick's assessment that she didn't give a "Rusty Hoop" or a "Crusty Hoot" or whatever; it doesn't matter what he said - he was chortling his great satisfaction in this program.


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    I think Dick said "Rusty Hoot". I remember there was quite a discussion on this board about that saying. lol.

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    I was in the arena, front row seat for Worlds 2003. The water 0n the ice didn't bother Michelle or the other skaters either apparently, they just scooted right through it. Michelle's second lutz was in the lutz corner, right where I was sitting, right where the water had puddled. I know it's kind of hard to orient the skaters when you're watching on TV. Interesting about the 3T/2T, if you watch the video look at the ice, you can see her blade get caught in a rut, but she hangs on to the second jump landing.
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    I guess it does make a difference when we watch a program live as opposed to on television. Especially for Michelle's performances. Like Boitano said, "It's truly magical to be in the arena when Michelle skates well." It's just larger than life. So, in that sense, I do understand why a lot of us liked her rendition of Aranjuez at Worlds better. But for me, since I only got to watch both programs on TV, I just feel, from a technical and artistic standpoint, that her National performance was superior.

    Perhaps to sum up how I feel - At Nationals, she skated like she had nothing to lose; at Worlds, she skated like a pro. However, I still prefer the former.

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    Remember, that during the 2003 season, Michelle had not competed. There were many who believed that she was "washed up" after SLC; and Sasha was anointed as the chosen successor.

    Michelle was in the unusual position of having to "prove" herself worthy. If she did not win - and win resoundingly - she would likely never be regarded as a serious contender on the World scene again.

    Therefore she had to skate as "perfectly" as possible; not just to be US champion - but to send a message to all challengers that she was still the CHAMPION - to be reckoned with ABOVE every other contender.

    What others may see as caution, I interpret as attention to every detail, to its' maximum. The performance had the chill-inducing effect that only witnessing that kind of performance can give: an audience knows that they are seeing something VERY rare.

    When an artist, such as Michelle can combine such controlled technique with emotional resonance - shared with her audience as she did in Dallas - it is rarer still. SHE knew what that performance signified, and WE did also!

    At World's, her point proven, Michelle was able to skate with total abandon and freedom. She knew, within herself, that she was still able to share the gift - and NOTHING (not even rutted, soft ice) was going to stop her joy in giving, or ours in receiving.

    They were two different, yet glorious, performances that only Michelle could give.

    How blessed we have been to share them.

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    Personally I enjoyed her Worlds performance more. Even though I think the Nationals performace was better technically the worlds one just had so much more emotion. Part of it is probably because I was so glad to see her on top again and also Dick's commentating. I always think of the World's performance first when I think of Aranjuez and I think it was probably her best performance at worlds even if it only had six triples vs. seven.

    Sarah's performance was definately not deserving of the national title. Some of her jumps were underrotated and her artistry could not match Michelle's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skatesindreams View Post
    Remember, that during the 2003 season, Michelle had not competed. There were many who believed that she was "washed up" after SLC; and Sasha was anointed as the chosen successor.

    Michelle was in the unusual position of having to "prove" herself worthy. If she did not win - and win resoundingly - she would likely never be regarded as a serious contender on the World scene again.

    Therefore she had to skate as "perfectly" as possible; not just to be US champion - but to send a message to all challengers that she was still the CHAMPION - to be reckoned with ABOVE every other contender.

    What others may see as caution, I interpret as attention to every detail, to its' maximum. The performance had the chill-inducing effect that only witnessing that kind of performance can give: an audience knows that they are seeing something VERY rare.

    When an artist, such as Michelle can combine such controlled technique with emotional resonance - shared with her audience as she did in Dallas - it is rarer still. SHE knew what that performance signified, and WE did also!

    At World's, her point proven, Michelle was able to skate with total abandon and freedom. She knew, within herself, that she was still able to share the gift - and NOTHING (not even rutted, soft ice) was going to stop her joy in giving, or ours in receiving.

    They were two different, yet glorious, performances that only Michelle could give.

    How blessed we have been to share them.
    What you said, skatesindreams!!!

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    I love both, but do love her Nationals performance just a bit more. I actually thought her footwork at Nationals showed more abandon. But the final pose and arms lifting the audience to their feet at Worlds is priceless. I miss MK, sniff sniff.

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    The water 0n the ice didn't bother Michelle or the other skaters either apparently, they just scooted right through it. Michelle's second lutz was in the lutz corner, right where I was sitting, right where the water had puddled
    I was amazed by that...it seemed as though Michelle didn't even see or feel the difference in the ice...She's so unflappable!!!
    Question: Didn't some of the other skaters complain about the condition of the ice? I have a faulty memory sometimes.

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    I watched both on TV, and like the world's performance just a bit better:

    - The audience ROAR
    - Dick Button's commentary
    - The joy of knowing she skated another perfect performance at one of the most important events of the season
    - Seeing the satisfaction on her face knowing that she did her best...yet again
    - Seeing the audience rise and she slowly rises her arms at the end
    - That ending pause, where she soaks it all in
    - Knowing that she skated her best on the World scene, and on home soil


    There was just something in the air that night...the buzz...something that energized that night more than the night at Nationals. I think at Nationals, people were unsure of how she'd fare, but by Worlds, we were expecting perfection, and became beyond energized as we saw perfection happening before our eyes, yet again! We all knew that performance at Nationals was not just a stroke of good luck, and she proved her will at Worlds, showing everyone else something called "The Zone."


    I remember the night of Worlds was also at the beginning of the Iraq war...like Peggy said, Michelle took everyone's mind off the world troubles that night.


    We're all lucky to have witnessed that moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by missmarysgarden View Post
    What you said, skatesindreams!!!
    Thank you for the complement, missmarysgarden. Before writing that, I gave myself the treat of watching those performances back-to-back!

    I miss the gift that is Michelle, more than I can say,

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    Michelle is truly a legend, I mean even with her off the ice this season, we can still cherish her past performances, which are nothing short of legendary.

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    Both performances are magnificent but I do prefer the Worlds version due to the heightened emotion in Washington, D.C. in comparison to that in Dallas. The tv camera work is better in the Worlds version IMO and I love the look of flight, freedom, and ease that Michelle has in her Worlds footwork. Plus, winning a 5th World title really elevated her legendary status to another level. I mean, think about it . . . she's won more World titles than Alexei Yagudin, Katarina Witt, Scott Hamilton, and Kurt Browning. She's at the same elite level as Dick Button and Carol Heiss in terms of World victories (only Sonja Henie has won more) and all of Kwan's wins were in the era of 7-triple jump programs . . . that really is remarkable and INCREDIBLE; there will never be another like Michelle Kwan!

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    I wouldn't know. I prefer Nationals. I mean, a world title means more than a national title, but I still prefer the Nationals performance.

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    I like the actual performance from nats better, but I love watching her worlds performance because of the excitement of the crowd and of Dick. I love watching Michelle's reaction to the crowd, and seeing them all rise to their feet in a standing ovation as she raises her arms up into her final position....it just gives me chills thinking about it!!

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    I like the other ones too , but Campbell's!!! WOW!!! Has anyone ever looked better in a tennis ball yellow dress??? I DON"T THINK SO!!! YUM!!!
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    Nationals was a better performance. Worlds was just a "more important" performance. Michelle has always spoiled us at Nationals so its easier to overlook. But I haven't seen Michelle ever skate like that before. Nationals looked absolutely effortless and like nothing was happening. I call it something akin to her Lyra Angelica in 1998.
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    Considering that the Nats version of "Aranjuez" is my favourite performance by Michelle ever, I would have to say the Nats version is better than Worlds. I watch it at least once a day - that's how much I'm taken by it. I was expecting something better at Worlds, but that performance seemed more...rushed somehow. It wasn't as polished as the Nats performance, and it seemed a tad bit...sloppy. Blasphemous to say that of MK, I know, but of course I'm judging her by her standards, so...The Nats version was sheer perfection (3/3s be damned!) and was timed better than at Worlds - notice how the layback spin at Worlds was done so quickly (she drew her hands in almost immediately) and she lifted her hands up before the music had really swelled? At Nats, she did it at exactly the right time...if she had done the Y-spin at the end, it would have been even better than perfect. In summation, I would say the Worlds performance was more emotional, but the Nats version was superior in every other way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quixadar View Post
    Considering that the Nats version of "Aranjuez" is my favourite performance by Michelle ever, I would have to say the Nats version is better than Worlds. I watch it at least once a day - that's how much I'm taken by it. I was expecting something better at Worlds, but that performance seemed more...rushed somehow. It wasn't as polished as the Nats performance, and it seemed a tad bit...sloppy. Blasphemous to say that of MK, I know, but of course I'm judging her by her standards, so...The Nats version was sheer perfection (3/3s be damned!) and was timed better than at Worlds - notice how the layback spin at Worlds was done so quickly (she drew her hands in almost immediately) and she lifted her hands up before the music had really swelled? At Nats, she did it at exactly the right time...if she had done the Y-spin at the end, it would have been even better than perfect. In summation, I would say the Worlds performance was more emotional, but the Nats version was superior in every other way.
    Welcome on board, Quixadar!

    So, you watch the Nationals' version of "Aranjuez" every day, eh? I certainly don't blame you because that program is really that good!!

    I also share your opinion on those two performances - the Nats version was just pure perfection in terms of technique and aristry while the Worlds version was great but a tad cautious...it was the reaction of the crowd and the commentators that made it so exciting to watch.

    However, emotions aside, from an objective eye, my vote still goes to the Nats version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guesswho View Post
    Welcome on board, Quixadar!

    So, you watch the Nationals' version of "Aranjuez" every day, eh? I certainly don't blame you because that program is really that good!!

    I also share your opinion on those two performances - the Nats version was just pure perfection in terms of technique and aristry while the Worlds version was great but a tad cautious...it was the reaction of the crowd and the commentators that made it so exciting to watch.

    However, emotions aside, from an objective eye, my vote still goes to the Nats version.
    Thanks for the welcome, Guesswho. I tried to resist joining (I don't have much to contribute), but my growing crush on Michelle gets worse by the day!

    Oh yeah, I watch it whenever I need a little pick-me-up...which is often.

    Another things about the Worlds version - she began the spiral a little early; at Nats, the leg went up at the exact moment the music changed. Amazing.

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    Both performances left me in awe (until now, when I watch my vids) XD

    Sigh.. I miss Michelle -_-


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    I have to say I love both and have watched both numerous times.

    I'm partial to Nats because I thought the ice, the lighting of the arena, everything, was just beautiful. Also the program had a freshness and excitement to it. New costume, hadn't seen Michelle skate much all that season. It was also refreshing to see the new adjustments on Aranjuez from the October version of the program. In the program I definitely feel that Michelle had more of a "business" expresssion but she still skated freely. Also the commentary was a little lukewarm 'cause Sasha was "the one to beat". But I also love the program because it is probably Michelle's most flawless performance ever.

    I'm partial to Worlds because it was in my hometown D.C. and I got to attend many of the events (and of course the ladies final) and got the Worlds experience. I love love love the performance because I don't know what it is about that moment but it felt like Michelle had such freedom and spontaneity in the performance. Also even though technically it wasn't as flawless as Nats the emotion and eruption from Michelle, the audience and the commentary was wonderful.
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