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    Default [Newsday] "It could've been Kwan's night" (SHOCKINGLY sympathetic to MK)

    http://www.newsday.com/sports/column...rts-columnists

    I never expected this from Newsday (aka Go-Hughes Daily):

    Even if healthy, given her age and her inactivity over the last few months, Kwan probably would've needed a few breaks to win in Turin. The kind of breaks that wound up happening.

    It was just another example of life not being fair, even to those who almost have it all.

    So if you can spare any sympathy today, save it for Kwan, as classy and professional as they come, who must live with the annoying suspicion that somebody's wearing her medal. No disrespect to Shizuka Arakawa, the 2004 world champ who stayed on her skates and won. But she hardly has the credentials that Kwan does, and I'm just wildly guessing here, but her performance in Turin won't evoke memories of Dorothy Hamill or Peggy Fleming. At best, she was just stable and solid enough to overtake Cohen and Irina Slutskaya, who also fell and settled for bronze.
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    His article make some true statements, but I think he is wrong for criticizing Kwan for doing the right thing. Yeah it was a tough break, and possibly, this competion was a great opportunity for her. But with so many people doubting her, it would have been an uphill climb for her in any condition. I swear, it is like Kwan is damned if she does, damned if she doesn't.

    And plus I think he is wrong making a statement saying that she brought ailments with her. I don't think she brought any ailments with her, since she was cleared by two doctors. I am sure Sasha hasn't reavealed all of her ailments, so I think the only ailments that Michelle Kwan was fighting was sore muscles which just happened to get worse.

    I don't think second guessing is going to make anything better right now. Yeah, I can be selfish and say that she should have stayed and tuffed it out, but Michelle has always been the better person by doing the right thing, and it is why I look up to her.
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    I hope all Kwan's sponsors reading this articles. lol
    Although they respect/like her more after her withdrawing. But reading this article they will even love her more. lol

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    oh god. this guy seems to presume too much. that stuff about her "stomach churning" worse than it did 2 weeks ago? pleaseeeee.

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    I think this was actually a pretty well thought observation. I was thinking the same thing. What was Michelle thinking as she watched all of this?

    It is true: the skating gods have not been kind to Michelle when it comes to the Olympics.

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    Wow! This is amazing, considering who wrote this article. He normally jsut takes cheap shots at those on top, like Michelle. Nice to see him take a different look. I e-mailed him a note complimenting him on it. A little positive reinforcement doesn't hurt.

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    I agree with him that Arakawa's performance was almost forgettable except that she did stay on her feet and skated clean. I also was thinking that, with the new rules, even if Michelle had fallen, she might have medalled given her outstanding presentation, grace and artistry. Just showing the clips from her skating promoting the exhibition you realize that she is in a class all by herself.

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    Default Undoubtedly Would Have Been Kwan's Night

    Quote Originally Posted by Builder7
    I agree with him that Arakawa's performance was almost forgettable except that she did stay on her feet and skated clean. I also was thinking that, with the new rules, even if Michelle had fallen, she might have medalled given her outstanding presentation, grace and artistry. Just showing the clips from her skating promoting the exhibition you realize that she is in a class all by herself.
    I sent a similar message to both Lynn Zinser of the New York Times and Phil Hersh of the Chicago Tribune.

    "I was driving home when I received via cellphone the news that Sasha had fallen, and my thought was statistics don't lie. I received a second call a half hour later that Slutzskaya had finished third, probably as shocked as the odds-makers at the outcome.
    My last thought was one of absolute certainty. If Michelle Kwan had been healthy and able to compete, this would have been her gold. Based on the overall quality of skating or lack thereof, there was not one skater at this games who could have held a candle to her."

    I just keep thinking of her inspired performance in Atlanta, when she came back to win the gold, capitalizing on the moment.

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    Nobody really skated to win, which made you wonder about the one skater who should've won.

    The skater who wasn't even in the house.
    I hae to agree with that quote.

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    I don't find a single critical thing about this article. As I read it, the Olympics sans Kwan was a big dose of reality, and this writer had the grace to say that the person who could have, should have won here, was a victim of circumstances - and clearly, that no one, NO ONE is Michelle Kwan. (Singing a few bars of "You're Gonna Miss Me When I'm Gone.")

    I emailed him to thank him!!!

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    I don't think it was right of him to say Shizuka's performance was not comparable to those of Peggy F. and Dorothy H. I thought Shiz was elegant and exquisite and rightly one of the best Olympic performances in in history. I really dont care for Peggy F.'s oly performance. After all, we are 30-40 years way past these 2 ladies' time. Skating has advanced tremendously since then.

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    I have to agree with his assessment that Michelle would have won.

    *sigh*

    Still so po'd with the skating gods...

    I miss Michelle.

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    I just wanted Shiz to win and Sluts to get bronze because of her catty attitude towards Michelle in SLC, and making the statement that"one of the skaters was so sure that she would win, that she brought a gold dress with her".
    I believe that had Michelle been able to hang in there, it was to have been her year, ,but,but, sadly she couldn't.

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    Irina and Sasha received a dose of humility -- and strangely or not so strangely followed MK's example in SLC, managing to swallow their disappointment and comport themselves with dignity on the podium, if not with the complete grace and sportsmanship of Our Michelle.

    I'm not familiar with this Newsday writer and what he's written in the past, but I agree with his take here. He's not criticizing Michelle for making the tough decision to withdraw from the Turin games, he's complimenting and commiserating with her decision -- just as we all are, especially in view of what went down on the ice yesterday.

    The writer gives Arakawa her due. She has lovely qualities and deserved her medal among this field (as perceptive fans know, Arakawa deserved to receive better marks throughout this entire season, so this win is sweet justice for her) but her persona and her skating are not on the level of the myth and magic of Peggy Fleming, Dorothy Hamill, Michelle Kwan, or even Janet Lynn. At least Arakawa has truly developed as a skater and an artist before receiving OGM, unlike Tara and Sarah. Arakawa's win is also sweet justice for the legacy of Midori Ito (the budding, but snubbed talent of Mao Asada, the courage and heart of Fumie Suguri), as well as a fitting tribute to the commitment and dedication of the powerhouse that is the Japanese Federation.

    I'm actually somewhat amazed that the judging was pretty fair overall. My take is that the spotlight was on with the IOC as well as the whole world watching closely. After the outlandish point spreads given to Russian contenders in the Men's and Pairs competitions, ISU officials must have realized they needed to tone that down to show that the competitions were not out of reach for other contenders. Plushy and Tot/Mar may have deserved to win gold, but not by the huge margins that they did. IMO, judges would happily have given gold to Irina, but the wide point spread fix for her was over -- the Grand Prix final results had already sent that message. By judges being cautious in the scoring, to ensure things did not seem fixed in advance (witness the firestorm over the unfair marking of the SP at last year's Worlds -- they didn't want a repeat of that here), it allowed the decision to come down more to what the skaters did on the ice. Both Sasha and Irina received a message: "The gold is yours for the taking, but you have to grab it." Irina moreover received the message: "We are not going to continue overmarking you on PCS, so your jumps and other elements have got to be solid." Without the confidence of knowing that the judges were completely in her corner, Irina was unable to pull out all the stops like she did at '05 Worlds in the LP.

    To the poster critical of comparing past legends to today's skaters: Comparisons will always be made, but of course all things will never be equal. Peggy Fleming's LP skate at 1968 Winter Games may not have been perfectly executed in terms of her jumps, but it was her lyrical presence on the ice, which was so unique and different for that time, plus her grace and beauty (her ballerina quality) that played so well on television (the first time the Winter Games were televised) -- all of these factors combined with not only her mother's support and ambition for her, but also with the glorious myth of the Olympic Games, have so much to do with how she was perceived and how her legend was born (not to mention the fact that she epitomized the rebirth of U.S. Figure Skating seven years after the tragedy of the 1961 airplane crash).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cha7
    His article make some true statements, but I think he is wrong for criticizing Kwan for doing the right thing. Yeah it was a tough break, and possibly, this competion was a great opportunity for her. But with so many people doubting her, it would have been an uphill climb for her in any condition. I swear, it is like Kwan is damned if she does, damned if she doesn't.

    And plus I think he is wrong making a statement saying that she brought ailments with her. I don't think she brought any ailments with her, since she was cleared by two doctors. I am sure Sasha hasn't reavealed all of her ailments, so I think the only ailments that Michelle Kwan was fighting was sore muscles which just happened to get worse.

    I don't think second guessing is going to make anything better right now. Yeah, I can be selfish and say that she should have stayed and tuffed it out, but Michelle has always been the better person by doing the right thing, and it is why I look up to her.
    I don't think he criticized her for doing the right thing. In fact, he noted that "She had to leave Turin when she did. Sticking around and hoping she'd heal wouldn't have been fair to Emily Hughes." When you think about it though, this guy isn't the only columnist who thinks that Michelle could have (or even would have) won -- so Michelle gets "credit" for that, plus the kudos for doing the right thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by attyfan
    I don't think he criticized her for doing the right thing. In fact, he noted that "She had to leave Turin when she did. Sticking around and hoping she'd heal wouldn't have been fair to Emily Hughes." When you think about it though, this guy isn't the only columnist who thinks that Michelle could have (or even would have) won -- so Michelle gets "credit" for that, plus the kudos for doing the right thing.
    Well, that's the part I agree with him, that yes she could have won. I just don't think it is right to second guess or question whether her stomach is turning. I mean, we will always wonder what if. However, Michelle made the right decision, and if she was faced with that decision knowing what we know now, she probably still would make that decision again. I still think the article takes a negative tone on Michelle, like she is somehow plagued with bad luck, which isn't true. She is just someone who knows the meaning of sacrifice more than others, and she shows it off and on the ice, time and again. Unfortunately things had to be like this, but I don't think she is one who hinges on regrets like this guy tries to play up in the article.
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    Michelle's concern should have nothing to do with what is best for Emily. Michelle doesn't owe Emily anything. Of course being Michelle means she will do the right thing.

    No one should e-mail this guy and thank him. Newsday doesn't deserve that

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    Its couldve been her night for sure-and thats why I couldnt sleep last night.

    Shizuka has some great qualities to her skating-there is a grand elegance to her as she lands her jumps,besides teh skating, she's a pretty wonderful human being as well.

    I have to agree that it hurts to know that the judging for the most part was pretty fair-in all disciples.....ladies wasnt an exception either except maybe for Fumie's PCS.

    As I watched last night-I wondered waht Dick was thinking-cuz' I only really care about his opinion anyway. I wonder if he thought of Michelle-or missed that quality of skating, that tension, that competitiveness that she brings to the competition with her.

    The whole event is completely different knowing the most decoarated U.S. skater is in the building-possibly the best skater....ever, since skating has evolved so much since single toes and axles.

    Its really hurts-but Michelle idd 7 tripples in Nagano, and 5 in SLC. She wouldve won a medal, maybe even Gold-with a CoP version of either. This event was really different-w/o her....it didnt even begin to feel like the Olys-and she left.
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    It's true, Michelle would have won. All Michelle had to do was show up on the ice and she would have taken it. I don't know if I'll get over it.

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    While I can see where people may not like his thoughts, I have to say that I moved to tears by the article. I'm sure a lot of my emotions have to do with the fact that Michelle was nowhere to be seen during yesterday's hoopla. It's so hard knowing that she wasn't there, wasn't skating, wasn't making history. That's not say her presence was not felt though. And I think that's why I am so moved by this article. It's Michelle presence that is often felt wherever there is skating, especially in circumstances like these. She could have won last night had she competed. But technically that's true of many skaters. It's playing the "What if" game. You'll never know for sure. What I do know is that Michelle is a wonderful person and an amazing skater who has blessed us countless times that I will always hold in my heart.

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    Oh course, now that's is all over and was yet another splat-fest at this Olympics, the press says "Michelle should have stayed; she could have won!" Of course had she not won gold, they would be crucifying her (like they are with Sasha and Irina) and saying she "choked again" and denied Emily her spot. Thank goodness these Olympics are almost over!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JazDFW
    I don't think it was right of him to say Shizuka's performance was not comparable to those of Peggy F. and Dorothy H. I thought Shiz was elegant and exquisite and rightly one of the best Olympic performances in in history. I really dont care for Peggy F.'s oly performance. After all, we are 30-40 years way past these 2 ladies' time. Skating has advanced tremendously since then.
    At the time Peggy's performance was considered great. And at Dorothy's time her performance was considered great. But for todays standards I don't think that Siz's was great. Don't get me wrong, I think she is a beautiful skater and she did better than Sasha and Irina.

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    Of course Shizuka's performance won't evoke Peggy's duh----peggy fell during hers, shzuka didn't.

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    I have heard my local sports radio guys bemoaning the ladies skating competition results and how things could have been so different with a healthy MK in the mix. Here these guys who talk baseball, basketball and football day after day are talking about missing Michelle. She has a greater impact than some people might think if even macho sports radio guys can speak of her in wistful tones.

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    sigh. sometimes life just doesn't go our way i guess. with MK's up'd levels of difficulty and choreo by tarasova, i'd doubt she'd have any look of fear on her face had she been in turino, like she had before her LP in SLC. last nite was something i doubt she herself thought would happen. 5 triples wins the OGM? she was supposedly practicing 3-3s before this season started. and she was gonna go into turino with 6--what many thought would never be enough. had she done 6 she prolly woud've prolly coming out looking the most athletic lol.

    ETA: any naysayers who thought Kwan may have be delusional for thinking she could 'win' or even medal at these olys now look like idiots.
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