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  1. Radicalism, NOT Nationalism, is what causes people to lose their sanity and make some parts of the world extremely unbearable to live in. Sometimes, war is a necessary evil because that is the only way good people can prevent monstrous people like terrorists from commiting more unthinkable crimes. Words just don't cut it with extreme radicals. Police officers kill too, but they only do so to protect the citizens who want to enrich the society we live in.

    Just think of it this simply, missmarysgarden: If your house was open to the public, would it be kept clean and safe as much as it would be when you just live in it? Non-owners of the house would not care about taking care of your house just like “you don’t give a FRIP” about other countries’ business. That’s what I mean when I say nationalism/competition is necessary. Now think about the homeless people. You see, the desire to compete and win is good for society and it eventually benefits the whole country.
  2. "That's what keeps the hatred alive that makes wars....people wanting to WIN."

    That is why ancient people decided to have friendly battles of sports instead in the thing called "Olympics." How so different we think, missmarysgarden. To me, nationalism is a necessary and healthy symbolism that will never ever be erased from people’s hearts no matter how much you personally hate it. Nationalism/competition is what motivates people of one’s country to improve themselves to make a good brand of their country and that is a good thing despite your own beliefs. Otherwise, the United States, Japan, China, South Korea, and numerous other productive countries would not have come to be what they are today unless you think that that is a bad thing. Great countries as these are not the ones who instigate war. Nations that have no drive to succeed economically and no passion to compete with other nations NON-VIOLENTLY are the ones that cause trouble in this world!
  3. MichellianeKwanjuez, you know nothing about me or my family. My oldest son is Irish and German by blood; his wife is Chinese/Filipina by blood.....and we don't even need to go into my genetic mix, or the mix of my children and grandchildren and friends. I HATE NATIONALISM! I HATE OVERBLOWN PATRIOTISM! About ANY country. Don't take it all so personally. Its not about you. Figure skating is something beautiful that has given me enormous pleasure in my 67 years of life - and I don't give a FRIP what your nationality is or any other fan's nationality is, or skater's nationality is - I admire and applaud the beauty and courage of sport - not the stupid idea that it's about one country beating another. That's what keeps the hatred alive that makes wars....people wanting to WIN. It's not about you.
  4. "I have always believed that the idea that athletes "win" for their country is juvenile and silly. Clearly, you don't, and it comes through in many, many of your posts."

    When you say something like this, you come off looking very arrogant, inconsiderate, and just ignorant about the countries you had in mind as you were writing this statement down. Not only are you trying to offend me (Sorry, but I don’t get offended easily. Nice try though), but you are practically looking down on every nation of people who patriotically cheer for each of their nation’s athletes including your own countrymen.

    I guess you thought Michelle Kwan was being “juvenile and silly” when she said “I was rooting for the American skaters” last February in Vancouver. Or how about when she said something like, “I am incredibly honored to be representing my country, U.S.A, at the Olympic Games,” etc…?
  5. Do you think you're being decent here by seeming to question my love for this country I grew up in and my feelings for skaters other than Yuna? To me, it doesn’t matter how you or others view me as long as God knows who I am. Just like God does not love me because I am Korean-American, I don’t believe I am a fan of Yuna Kim because she is Korean. I just adore her skating style and her tomboyish personality. Her being Korean was just a “lucky” conincidence for me, so to speak. I think I mentioned this before on this board that I become fans of people whose qualities and personalities I deeply find interesting or admirable. Race, ethnicity, nationality – these things have the least influence on me as my favorite male gymnast is Japanese, my favorite track and field athlete and basketball player are black, my all-time-favorite tennis player is German, and so on. Believe it or not, there are even famous and very talented Korean people I can hardly stand if you get my drift.
  6. How far will you go in trying to prove to me that you are somehow a better person or a better skating fan just because you tell me you’ve been a long time fan of Shen/Zhao, Mao, and Yuna? Do you think I am a fan of only Michelle and Yuna just because I talk about them the most? Did it ever occur to you that I may not talk much about skaters from other parts of the world ‘cause I don’t speak their language and therefore, I do not have much information about them as I do about Yuna? Do you think I have all the time in the world to visit every skating fan site on the web? FYI, the only other skating forum I regularly go to is Yuna’s Korean forum ‘cause she is my favorite active skater right now. I don’t even go to the English-speaking Yuna forum as I have other more important things to do in my life.
  7. Not only you think I’m weird, but now you have a problem with me because you think I am being transparently nationalistic just because I am an avid fan of Yuna (who just happens to share the same nationality with me), I know the Korean language, do not get into much discussions about other skaters, and argue against the hypocrisies of other posters here? For one thing, Korea is a country where I was born and grew up in until I was a little child. I have very fond memories from there, so, naturally, Korea has a very special place in my heart. Should I hide my love for my birth country just to please you and others (I didn’t know until you told me that you were talking about me in this manner with so many other members here. Nice.) who think that that is not a cool thing to do ‘cause you and they (whoever they are) don’t personally have the experience of being an immigrant?
  8. I find most of your comments about YuNa to be transparently nationalistic - as do many of the people here. I have long been a YuNa fan, and a Shen & Zhou fan, and a Mao Asada fan. It makes no difference at all to me where a skater holds citizenship, or lives, or was born or what genetic identity they carry. I appreciate and follow skaters as individual athletes, which they are, and admire them for there talent and their hard work. I have always believed that the idea that athletes "win" for their country is juvenile and silly. Clearly, you don't, and it comes through in many, many of your posts.
  9. "Wow, you really want to get into people's stuff, don't you. Now you want to pick a translator for YuNa? I think that is really weird."

    Yes, missmarysgarden. Me and tens of millions of Yuna fans in Korea and elsewhere. You are free to think I am weird, but I don’t really care for your opinions.
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