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AYS
January 15th, 2000, 07:16 AM
Wow. Irina won every judge and got a 6.0 for tech merit. She must have landed one if not 2 3/3 combos. 1 Irina SLUTSKAYA RUS 1.0 6.0 5.8 5.9 5.8 5.9 5.8 5.9 #2 5.9 5.9 5.9 5.9 5.8 5.9 5.7 11.9 11.7 11.8 11.7 11.7 11.7 11.6 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 Michelle KWAN USA 2.0 5.6 5.7 5.8 5.7 5.7 5.6 5.6 #1 5.8 5.9 5.8 5.8 5.9 5.7 5.9 11.4 11.6 11.6 11.5 11.6 11.3 11.5 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 P.S. The first judge was the French judge. Obviously a big fan of Irina's.

Janice
January 15th, 2000, 07:19 AM
Irina did a triple lutz-triple loop and a triple sal-triple loop. Looks like our Michelle is going to have to up the ante.

Janice
January 15th, 2000, 07:21 AM
From AP: Slutskaya, who failed to make the Russian team last year after winning two European titles, became the first woman to do a triple lutz-triple loop combination. Seconds later, she added a triple salchow-triple loop. Later, she had a triple toe loop-double toe loop combination, finishing with seven triples in total. For her routine to music from the ``Don Quixote'' ballet, she earned marks of 5.9 and 5.8 with a 6.0 for technical merit from the French judge. Technical merit 6.0 marks are rare in competition with the judges giving more top scores for artistic impression. Kwan was second, despite not missing anything over the three rounds of the competition. She did six triples, but scaled down a triple loop to a double loop, her only error.

Rene
January 15th, 2000, 07:26 AM
Michelle must hav fallen or doubled a few jumps. I can't imagine a clean 6 or 7 triple program and getting 5.6's for tech merit! I HATE WHEN MICHELLE DOESN'T WIN!!!!!! I just hate that all the anti-MK people at FSW just gloat and gloat. I know I should ignore it but it p***** me off! I already saw someone saying that they were "peeing their pants laughing" I do like Irina though, I'm glad she's happy. It's hard for me to imagine though that the judges count anything other than triples to have Irina 6 POINTS ahead of Michelle in tech merit. What about footwork, spiral etc. don't they count anymore???? I have no idea who should have won but THAT far ahead? Anyone know who did what?

Rene
January 15th, 2000, 07:27 AM
sorry we were posting at the same time. Thanks for the info.

AYS
January 15th, 2000, 07:32 AM
Well, at best Michelle would have had a 3toe/3toe-and perhaps not even that. That just can't cut it against a history-making 3lutz/3loop and salchow/3loop.

badhairday
January 15th, 2000, 07:38 AM
I can't believe what Irina just did! I'm happy for her! But, I'm very worried about MK... she really needs to concentrate on upping her technical difficulty eespecially with jumps like Irina's! Maybe it's time to work on that triple axel!

GypsyEsmeralda
January 15th, 2000, 07:43 AM
so obviously the only reason michelle lost is because of tech merit. I honesttly don't think Irina will ever have a free skate like that again but OTOH I wouldn't be surprised if Michelle upped her technical diffuculty. The only reson Irina won is because she had the skate of her life.

Rene
January 15th, 2000, 07:43 AM
Did you see the ordinals for the short program? Michelle had 4 1st place, 3 2nd Irina had 2 3rd place and Maria had 1 1st place! Boy, Worlds is going to be interesting!

Karin
January 15th, 2000, 07:54 AM
THIS IS weird!!!...those 3z/3loop and 3sal/3loop combos were the 2 that MK talked about!!!... Hurry UP MK and up the ante!!! Wow for Irina!!!...I'm so proud!!! OK...I'm still sorta in shock...MK (IMO) probably has those 2 combos mastered too...because IMO she wouldn't have mentioned them last year... :-( Sigh!!!

Karin
January 15th, 2000, 07:55 AM
What I'm (sorta) in shock about is MK's presentation marks!!! LOL...

SJB
January 15th, 2000, 08:01 AM
Wow, good job, Irina! Great for her on the history-making 3 lutz/3 loop, and the great skate in general. I just hope that this doesn't give the Russian Federation the idea that if someone isn't performing up to what they think the skater's potential should be (Maria, Irina), they should be ostracized or punished (or whatever they did to MB and IS) and it will automatically result in world-class skating! Where did you get the information on the SP ordinals?

april
January 15th, 2000, 08:03 AM
disappointed for Michelle. :( I mean, 3lutz/3loop and 3sal/3loop plus Irina has improved in her presentation. I hope this fires up MK for Nationals and Worlds. She can't play it safe anymore. I really think she needs 2 3/3 combos for Worlds. It doesn't matter if Irina skates this well again or not but there's always someone out there who will challenge MK. Hopefully, Michelle isn't taking a lot of courses so she can be ready for Worlds.

lavender
January 15th, 2000, 08:03 AM
Obviously they are not impress anymore according to the artistic marks. I guess irina is the next jumping dynamo like tara. I'm not happy about the outcome but now michelle knows what she has to do. Irina had a few surprises in her bag. She had some hidden talents no one knew about. I knew that she could jump but not like this. Who knew!

Karin
January 15th, 2000, 08:06 AM
I'm not trying to sound too-MK-fan-ish... but MK had mentioned that combo with the 3sal/3loop last year...about her practicing them!!! I would have luved it if MK was the one who made history with the 3lutz/3loop!!!...In a way I'm disappointed...BUT I am still SO HAPPY for Irina!!!...:-) Worlds is FINALLY gonna be exciting!!! MK will probably go there with her 3/3's...may be the 3axel??? Hmmmm??? MK has a BIG indication now!!! Go MK!!!

AYS
January 15th, 2000, 08:06 AM
All of the marks are being posted at icecalc: <A HREF=http://www.icecalc.com/events/gpf2000/results/index.htm >http://www.icecalc.com/events/gpf2000/results/index.htm </A> Here were the sp marks and ordinals for the first 3: 1 Michelle KWAN USA 0.5 5.5 5.7 5.8 5.7 5.7 5.8 5.8 #5 5.9 5.8 5.7 5.9 5.9 5.9 5.9 11.4 11.5 11.5 11.6 11.6 11.7 11.7 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 2 Irina SLUTSKAYA RUS 1.0 5.7 5.5 5.7 5.7 5.7 5.8 5.8 #4 5.8 5.7 5.9 5.8 5.8 5.8 5.7 11.5 11.2 11.6 11.5 11.5 11.6 11.5 1 3 1 2 2 2 3 3 Maria BUTYRSKAYA RUS 1.5 5.5 5.7 5.6 5.6 5.5 5.7 5.8 #6 5.8 5.9 5.8 5.8 5.7 5.9 5.8 11.3 11.6 11.4 11.4 11.2 11.6 11.6 3 1 3 3 3 3 2 4

april
January 15th, 2000, 08:12 AM
Did the French judge ever placed MK first in 1st lp or sp? What's up with these French judges? This is kind of off-topic but has anyone noticed that they're not very impressed with Michelle? Didn't the French judge put Tara first in the Olympics sp? Maybe I'm making too much out of this but it's pissing me off, lol!

Karin
January 15th, 2000, 08:17 AM
They're different judges...but I've also noticed that the, if memory serves me right...French judge from 96 worlds (If I remember correctly) also placed Lulu (with 2 others) ahead of MK...

april
January 15th, 2000, 08:25 AM
interesting . . . btw, I remember reading some articles and Michelle mentioned 3sal/3loop, 3lutz/3loop and other combos as well. I was also hoping she'd be the first lady to land the 3lutz/3loop but oh well. I think Irina is very focused right now so I hope MK practices her 3/3 combos so she's ready for Worlds.

Karin
January 15th, 2000, 08:32 AM
...and the Olympics!!!

april
January 15th, 2000, 08:41 AM
oh yeah. That too, lol!

aries2
January 15th, 2000, 08:44 AM
I ususally feel alot better when I see how Michelle takes the results, so Iam hoping that even though she won the silver that she'll still be in good spirit. I hope she is not terribly disappointed she has done so well this season considering that her life has changed so much this season.

XPEG
January 15th, 2000, 08:55 AM
Man, Irina just nailed an awsome program. I'm sorry Michelle lost, but it looks like she skated Ok but was just flat out beaten by a super skate from Irina. You know, this is the first time since the Olympics that I can remember Michelle losing a competition, all things being equal (I don't count 99 Worlds because she was physically not well). It looks like Michelle now has a worthy opponent to skate against; she really hasn't had one since Tara. (I don't count Maria; she was never real consistent; only beat Michelle that once; most of their "rivalry" was just media hype.) Michelle will now have to up her difficulty, take more chances (how gutsy was that of Irina to try those combinations!). If Tara had stayed eligible Michelle, I think, would have been stretched sooner. Well, the time is now here.

Smakelijk
January 16th, 2000, 12:53 AM
isn't that U.S judge Linda Leaver Botiano's coach?

kwanette
January 16th, 2000, 05:49 AM
She was at Nats in 98