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lavender
February 9th, 2000, 04:34 AM
Mrks so far. Irina marks were way higher than maria's even though she skated in a different group. After 1st group: 1 Irina SLUTSKAYA RUS 0.4 1 3 Vanessa GUSMEROLI FRA 0.8 2 5 Silvia FONTANA ITA 1.2 3 7 Galina MANIACHENKO UKR 1.6 4 9 Anna LUNDSTRÖM SWE 2.0 5 11 Sabina WOJTALA POL 2.4 6

sw10025
February 9th, 2000, 07:19 AM
Final results from qualifying groups A and B: Qualifying Group A: 1.Maria Butyrskaya (RUS) 5.5 5.3 5.3 5.3 5.5 5.4 5.0 0.4 5.7 5.6 5.5 5.7 5.8 5.7 5.4 2.Julia SEBESTYN (HUN) 5.3 5.5 5.5 5.4 5.4 5.3 5.4 0.8 5.2 4.9 5.4 5.5 5.5 5.5 5.4 3.Alisa DREI (FRA) 5.0 5.2 4.8 5.3 5.1 5.1 5.2 1.2 5.3 5.4 4.8 5.5 5.1 5.2 5.3         6.Julia LAUTOWA (AUT) 4.9 4.6 4.5 4.8 5.0 4.6 4.9 2.4 4.7 4.6 4.6 4.8 5.0 4.5 4.8                 Endstand Qualifikation Gruppe B Name Techn.Wertung/Präsentation Punkte 1.Irina SLUTSKAYA (RUS) 5.8 5.7 5.8 5.6 5.7 5.7 5.7 0.4 5.6 5.9 5.8 5.8 5.8 5.9 5.6    2.Viktoria VOLCHKOVA (RUS) 5.7 5.6 5.3 5.5 5.4 5.5 5.5 0.8 5.7 5.6 5.3 5.7 5.5 5.7 5.3 3.Elena LIASCHENKO (UKR) 5.4 5.4 5.6 5.6 5.3 5.3 5.5 1.2 5.6 5.7 5.8 5.6 5.3 5.5 5.6 Geez, you'd think the law of averages alone would give Maria one good LP performance this season. :-) (Hope its not at worlds.) Remember folks, those are LP marks, not SP marks where there is an automatic deduction for mistakes, so she must have put in a technical fiasco of a performance -- most of the judges gave the Hungarian girl better marks. Maria is really, really lucky that she was in what can only be referred to as the "training wheel" qualifying group, rather than the hard one.

skateguru
February 9th, 2000, 07:50 AM
I read an article in Yahoo about the womens performances. Irina landed six triples and skated to "Carmen". She did not triple/triple combos. Maria skated to "Swan Lake" and her program had a lot of flaws. She only landed three triples. She's really going into a downward spiral. Irina should win this event easily. I also read that Vanessa Gusmeroli skated pretty well and Elena Liashenko mad a lot of mistakes.

sw10025
February 9th, 2000, 10:17 AM
You know, this is the real problem that I have with this qualifying group set up, where the competitors are divvied up into two groups, and the skater's placement in their group counts toward the total results. Maria gets a frankly very weak group and wins it with lots of mistakes and apparently only three clean triples (losing three 1st place ordinals to the Hungarian girl into the bargain). All the serious competition was in Irina's group, Gusmeroli supposedly skated well but ended up behind Liashenko who made a lot of mistakes. Volchkova must have skated decently given her marks, but she ends up second, whereas if she had been in the other group, she might have won. Slutskaya skates well, lands twice as many triples as MB, gets significantly better marks than everybody else, yet she ends up no better point wise than Maria. Its preposterous.

pbluu
February 9th, 2000, 11:13 AM
These new formats are bogus. I don't think the top 3 or 5 skaters should have to qualify for the finals like at Europeans and Worlds. Then again maybe the practices help (for Maria maybe). The Grand Prix format really sucks. I can only think that it’s good for TV (ESPN was able to show the extra programs. More bang for the buck) and not the skaters. Don't skaters and coaches have any say in this?

Rene
February 9th, 2000, 03:14 PM
What WAS the reasoning behind the qualifying round for World Champs etc? Maria can get farther with so many bad performances than any skater I can think of!

sw10025
February 9th, 2000, 04:58 PM
Actually, what ESPN broadcast were repeats of the exact same programs that ABC broadcast just a few days before, so what possible benefit anyone derived from the new format, I don't know. We the loyal fans didn't even get to see the newer LPs for the most part, or even the SPs, just mostly last year's programs rehashed.

TripleLutz
February 9th, 2000, 10:17 PM
The qualifying rounds have been in use for a long time now so they aren't anything new. In the early 90s the qualifying was used simply to cut down the number of skaters to 30 before the short program. In 1995 and 1996, the rules were changed and the TOP 10 skaters of the previous year's World Championships didn't need to skate to qualify. So in the qualifying, it was the TOP 10 of each group that made it to the short program. Lower placed skaters found it unfair so the rules reverted and all skaters skated in qualifying in 1997 and the rule has been like that since. The first time they used qualifying at the Europeans though were in 1999. There haven't been any other competitions that have taken the qualifying, short, long program format except Worlds, Europeans, and Grand Prix Finals. I am not sure if the Four Continents has adopted this format this year. They used the old style short and long program last year.

MichelleFANnumber1
February 10th, 2000, 01:53 AM
I cant believe how bad Maria's skating has down spiraled. I used to be worried that she was going to start to beat Michelle, but now im worried about Irina beating Michelle! Things change soo fast.

sw10025
February 10th, 2000, 07:29 AM
I think its entirely plausible that by next year Slutskaya and Volchkova will have locked down the first two slots on the team and Maria and Julia will be battling it out for the third and final spot.

Rene
February 10th, 2000, 08:35 AM
I realize that there has always been a qualifying round, I was just wondering why it started to count in the final score. If the judges don't want a World Champ to be too far down, they just hold up the scores. What's the difference? You should get some kind of "perk" for being in the top 10 at Worlds.