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sw10025
March 30th, 2000, 10:31 AM
Yagudin
Stojko
Weiss
Plushenko

sw10025
March 30th, 2000, 10:33 AM
1 Alexei YAGUDIN RUS 2.0 1 1 1
2 Elvis STOJKO CAN 5.4 1 5 2
3 Michael WEISS USA 5.6 2 3 3
4 Evgeni PLUSHENKO RUS 6.0 2 2 4
5 Chengjiang LI CHN 12.0 3 8 6
6 Alexander ABT RUS 15.6 3 4 12
7 Stanick JEANNETTE FRA 16.0 5 10 8
8 Zhengxin GUO CHN 16.0 4 9 9
9 Vincent RESTENCOURT FRA 16.4 7 11 7
10 Takeshi HONDA JPN 17.2 5 17 5
11 Timothy GOEBEL USA 17.4 8 7 10
12 Anthony LIU AUS 20.4 7 6 14
13 Vitali DANILCHENKO UKR 20.6 6 12 11
14 Stefan LINDEMANN GER 22.4 4 13 13
15 Dmitri DMITRENKO UKR 27.2 8 15 15
16 Andrejs VLASCENKO GER 28.0 6 16 16
17 Roman SKORNIAKOV UZB 31.8 10 18 17
18 Ivan DINEV BUL 32.0 9 14 20
19 Ben FERREIRA CAN 34.4 11 20 18
20 Michael TYLLESEN DEN 34.4 10 19 19
21 Markus LEMINEN FIN 40.0 12 22 22
22 Patrick MEIER SUI 40.2 9 21 24
23 Sergei RYLOV AZE 40.6 13 24 21
24 Konstantin KOSTIN LAT 41.6 12 23 23

Alexei YAGUDIN RUS
5.8 5.8 5.8 5.4 5.7 5.8 5.8 5.7 5.7
5.9 5.7 5.8 5.9 5.9 5.9 5.9 5.9 5.9
11.7 11.5 11.6 11.3 11.6 11.7 11.7 11.6 11.6
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1

Elvis STOJKO CAN
5.7 5.7 5.5 5.7 5.6 5.5 5.7 5.7 5.6
5.8 5.6 5.7 5.5 5.8 5.3 5.7 5.7 5.7
11.5 11.3 11.2 11.2 11.4 10.8 11.4 11.4 11.3
3 2 4 3 2 4 3 2 3

Michael WEISS USA
5.6 5.6 5.6 5.5 5.5 5.6 5.5 5.6 5.5
5.8 5.6 5.7 5.8 5.8 5.7 5.8 5.7 5.7
11.4 11.2 11.3 11.3 11.3 11.3 11.3 11.3 11.2
4 3 3 2 3 2 4 3 4

Evgeni PLUSHENKO RUS
5.7 5.6 5.7 5.5 5.3 5.3 5.6 5.4 5.6
5.9 5.5 5.7 5.6 5.6 5.4 5.7 5.7 5.8
11.6 11.1 11.4 11.1 10.9 10.7 11.3 11.1 11.4
2 4 2 4 5 5 5 4 2

Takeshi HONDA JPN
5.4 5.5 5.4 5.4 5.4 5.4 5.6 5.5 5.5
5.4 5.4 5.4 5.2 5.1 5.5 5.8 5.6 5.4
10.8 10.9 10.8 10.6 10.5 10.9 11.4 11.1 10.9
9 7 5 8 8 3 2 5 9

lavender
March 30th, 2000, 10:35 AM
This is so unbelievable. Everyone that I wanted to succeed has. I just can't believe this. I know yagudin is crying.

Valerie
March 30th, 2000, 10:43 AM
Congratulations to Alexei for winning his third world title! It must have been sweet. I was expecting Evgeni to win the gold or silver; I am so surprised that he isn't even on the podium. Did he fall? I am completely proud of Elvis! Canada has a medal! This week has so far, has been filled with extremely surprising and even shocking events and placements. I am very delighted to see Michael on the podium again, and to see Alexei come back so strong after his not-so perfect season. Here's to hoping Michelle will skate flawlessly in the short program, and perfectly in the freeskate! Be glorious!

sw10025
March 30th, 2000, 10:43 AM
I know from FSW that Stojko made mistakes, and Weiss must have to be after Stojko, so Plushenko really must have tanked to wind up off the podium. Weiss is very, very lucky indeed that he did. I guess there's one thing Plushenko could have learned from Yagudin: HOW TO BE A THREE TIME WORLD CHAMPION, THAT'S WHAT!

Let's all hope, pray and sacrifice chicken that Alexei won't be the only three time world champion crowned this week!!!

ILuvMKwan
March 30th, 2000, 10:50 AM
I can't believe we miss having three US men to worlds next year by one placement!!!! Michael's 3rd and Timmy's 11th adds up to 14, and we needed 13!!! ARggh!!! The only country able to send three men are Russia and China! Yeah China!! They placed exactly at the total of 13!! This is so interesting!

Jenny
March 30th, 2000, 10:50 AM
From FSU (in skate order):

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Elvis

quad - fellll --

combo 3ax 3 toe - no only double toe
3 lutz ok
combo 3ax 3 toe landed
chris - what a man he is
combo 3 flip 3 toe - had to work hard free leg may have touched on toe
trying to pack in the content
3 loop clean
3 sal good
donlt like his step seq

good try though

c/s - not the man he was cos of injury - not lost character - he salvaged something out of the programme - struggled on 4 rotation of quad - musci didnt hav dynamic - lot of repetition iwth choreo -

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weiss

yuk carmen - sorry!!!

stepped off quad
combo 3ax 2 toe only
combo 3 flip 3 toe landed
step and hand down on 3 ax
3 loop really clean#
3 sal clean
3 lutz clean


c/s - better prog than Elvis - but tough call - overall weiss leaves you with a better feeling -

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Yags Yeeeaaahhhhhh

quad 3 combo - just about held it - dont know where the turns on 3toe came from
quad - yeahhh!!!
3ax only no combo
3 flip good
3 ax alone again donly got single toe on end
3 sal - he's fighting to land the jumps
vry expressive choreo
ahhhh nooo fell on lutz

very late to put into the prog after 4 mins persoanlly I think thats a shame hes smiling but he knows it

2 quads & 5 trips but mistakes - left door open for P

c/s - fall on lutz?? he can do it in his sleep - but its very hot in here - he was getting tired cos landings werent working, he was working harder - fought like crazy - didn't give anything up -

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Plushy

doubled out on quad
3 toe ok

oops!!

c;ombo 3 ax -- noooo left off the toe
ahhhhhh down on next quad

3 lutz held

mishin has just roared at him

just heard mishin again

3 flip landed
combo 3 ax 2 toe 1 loop
but looked v weak

3sal
3 loop
building up tech content in a hurry

not sparkling!!!

c/s - big discussion about all the medals - think Yags has one cos of 2nd mark - but who's getting silver & bronze!!!!!! - Plushy changed prog around completly - they think he cannot beat Yags - might be 3rd!!!!<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END-->

lavender
March 30th, 2000, 10:51 AM
I heard they all had some mistakes. Everyone fell. I'm not sure about weiss though. Plushenko completely bomb and made up some choreography. He just lost it. I'm so happy though. They wrote everyone off on that podium. They said alexei wouldn't win gold, elvis is too old to medal and weiss won't even make it on the podium. Serves them right. Must I continue to say that this has been a weird worlds.

sw10025
March 30th, 2000, 11:08 AM
Tim better go home and work hard over the summer on his nerves and his presentation, otherwise it'll be Eldredge and Weiss at worlds next year.

Jenny
March 30th, 2000, 11:08 AM
More LIVE notes (from FSW):

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Last group:

1 Elvis STOJKO CAN 1.0
5.7 5.7 5.5 5.7 5.6 5.5 5.7 5.7 5.6 #19
5.8 5.6 5.7 5.5 5.8 5.3 5.7 5.7 5.7
11.5 11.3 11.2 11.2 11.4 10.8 11.4 11.4 11.3
1 1 1 1 1 2 2 1 1
Landed 8 triples, but fall on the quad may deny him a medal.

3 Chengjiang LI CHN 3.0
5.6 5.5 5.3 5.5 5.4 5.2 5.6 5.7 5.4 #20
5.5 5.5 5.2 5.4 5.5 5.1 5.5 5.4 5.3
11.1 11.0 10.5 10.9 10.9 10.3 11.1 11.1 10.7
2 2 7 2 3 7 4 3 7
Quad in combo (4t-3t), 3x-3t. missed the solo axel.
2nd place overall.

9 Alexander ABT RUS 9.0
5.5 5.3 5.1 4.9 5.3 4.7 5.1 5.2 5.4 #21
5.6 5.1 5.1 5.2 5.5 4.8 5.6 5.6 5.7
11.1 10.4 10.2 10.1 10.8 9.5 10.7 10.8 11.1
2 9 10 11 4 13 9 7 2
Good 4t, but then only 3x-2t, fall on 3x, 2lutz, and his chance for medal is gone.
Look at the placemarks: 2 to 13!!!
3rd overall. Elvis 1st, Li 2nd.

2 Michael WEISS USA 2.0
5.6 5.6 5.6 5.5 5.5 5.6 5.5 5.6 5.5 #22
5.8 5.6 5.7 5.8 5.8 5.7 5.8 5.7 5.7
11.4 11.2 11.3 11.3 11.3 11.3 11.3 11.3 11.2
2 2 1 1 2 1 3 2 2
Step-out on 4t, then 3x-2t, and hand-down on 2nd 3x. Good 3f-3t, 3loop, 3s, 3lutz.
No medal for him this time. It goes to Elvis.

1 Alexei YAGUDIN RUS 1.0
5.8 5.8 5.8 5.4 5.7 5.8 5.8 5.7 5.7 #23
5.9 5.7 5.8 5.9 5.9 5.9 5.9 5.9 5.9
11.7 11.5 11.6 11.3 11.6 11.7 11.7 11.6 11.6
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
Good start: 4t-3t and 4t. Then solo 3x and only 3x-1t, and fall on 3lutz. Left room at the top.

4 Evgeni PLUSHENKO RUS 4.0
5.7 5.6 5.7 5.5 5.3 5.3 5.6 5.4 5.6 #24
5.9 5.5 5.7 5.6 5.6 5.4 5.7 5.7 5.8
11.6 11.1 11.4 11.1 10.9 10.7 11.3 11.1 11.4
2 4 2 4 5 5 5 4 2
Unbelievable how he blew it! 3 attempts at 4t: first double, 2nd triple, fell on 3rd. Only 3x-2t, and
he goes down to 4th.
Gold for Alexei, silver to Elvis, and Weiss retains the bronze. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END-->

Just goes to show.... Anything can happen, and it ain't over til it's over!!

Sharon
March 30th, 2000, 02:04 PM
I'm a little confused. sw help me. How does EP get THREE 2nd place ordinals with a skate like it says here? How silly of the judges <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :( --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/frown.gif ALT=":("><!--EZCODE EMOTICON STOP--> .

sw10025
March 30th, 2000, 02:23 PM
Sharon, there didn't seem to be a lot of agreement among the judges, their ordinals were all over the place (there was one skater who got ordinals from 2nd to 13th, if I recall correctly). I think with the exception of Yagudin, who had a 4t-3t, 4t, and two 3axels, if I remember correctly (even with the mistakes), the judges just didn't have a clear indication of what the placements should be. All the skaters made mistakes. I do think being the last skater benefitted him in the sense that they had already seen everyone else's flawed performances, and I also do think he benefitted from the fact that the judges held him up so he wouldn't be completely humiliated (or, alternatively, so his low placement wouldn't screw up the placements of all the skaters behind him). Also, the marks aren't just about jumps (even though they are still overemphasized), he skates very quickly, the judges seem to like his presentation (although *why*, I can't imagine), and they may have given him some credit for trying and trying and trying the quad...

Sharon
March 30th, 2000, 02:46 PM
Thanks sw! You know, I just went back and checked the final ordinals, and Takeshi got a 2nd place ordinal too, as well as a few 9th places. Goes to show you the judges can't agree when everything falls apart. And it was Alexander Abt who got ordinals from 2nd to 13th after his free skate.

I'm still happy with the placements, although I wish Tim had done better. I like Alexi's skating MUCH better than Evgeny's, even with all those quads. I also almost always get into Elvis' skating and occasionally into Michael's. I do hope Todd comes back next year and skates great.

I'm still confused on the speed thing. Why do the skaters have to skate fast? I know SOME speed is desireable, and variation of speed is important, but just being speedy?

Anyway, LOL on the "trying and trying and trying the quad..." <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :lol --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON STOP-->

sw10025
March 30th, 2000, 03:07 PM
Sharon, its true that there is supposed to be a variation in the speed and tempo of a program, but the reasons that judges like speed so much are (1) everything is more difficult when it is done with speed -- i.e. the same footwork sequence becomes harder the faster it is executed, the very same sit spin or camel spin becomes more difficult to center and maintain the faster the skater is rotating;(2) speed is a great indication of edging quality on the forward and backward stroking (crossovers), in that in order to have speed, a skater must either do a lot of strokes, or fewer, better edged strokes. The better the edge quality on a stroke, the more easily a skater will pick up and maintain speed. Or for another example, the reason why Michelle can do such a beautiful change of edge spiral without losing speed is because her edge control is such that she doesn't create more friction which would cause her to lose momentum.

Googoo
March 30th, 2000, 03:12 PM
YEAAAAAH! HOOOORAH for Weiss and Stoyko (who says he's old? ;)
Yagudin I pretty much expected to win after Plush faltered in the SP.I'm surprised that Plushy didn't medal. So his coach was yelling at him while he was skating??

Willowdale
March 30th, 2000, 04:58 PM
Wow! I'm so proud of Elvis!!

Gentle
March 30th, 2000, 05:21 PM
YESSSSSSSSSS! SOOOOOOo happy for Elvis and Michael!!!

don't care much for the russian men esplly Evigeni.

sw10025a
March 30th, 2000, 05:41 PM
You know, maybe I'm biased, but Plushenko made a dreadful, dreadful mistake in trying the quad toe loop over and over when it clearly wasn't working for him. If you don't get it the first time, and you don't get it the second, obviously your timing is off and you're going to be even more tired, discouraged and unlikely to execute it when you try it a third time. In the meantime, you've obviously just sacrificed other elements, choreography and jumps in a desperate attempt to execute one jump. At least with Yagudin in the qualifying round, he had choreographed a second quad attempt in, and practiced a second quad, so when the first didn't come off, he was used to attempting another at that point in the program.

Stojko is an experienced, seasoned competitor who wouldn't make the same mistake (and in fact, didn't, under similar circumstances today). I don't think Weiss would have made such a foolish error (although given how often he lands clean quads, his chances are pretty slim anyway) and I suspect even Yagudin wouldn't have done it. It just amazes me that if Plushenko had gone ahead and finished the rest of his program, he'd probably be the silver medallist right now, but he threw it all away in a desperate ill-conceived grab for the gold. Its a salutary lesson that you shouldn't knock those who've been around the block a few times.

Congrats Elvis: now go help Michelle work on improving her averages on her 3-3!!!