View Full Version : Maria did deserve first place!

March 31st, 2000, 03:52 PM
As I watched Michelle skate her short program, my heart was still hurting from knowing the judging. However, I cheered and cheered; I am extremely proud of Michelle. She did a wonderful job out there.

Here is how I would have placed the top three skaters:

1. Maria
2. Michelle
3. Irina

Maria was beautiful! Irina was not as good as Michelle to my eyes.

It's going to be a tough battle out there tomorrow. Michelle will skate gloriously!

March 31st, 2000, 05:50 PM
I agree with you <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON STOP-->

March 31st, 2000, 06:04 PM
I watched Michelle's and Irina's SPs. I won't watch Maria's because although I used to like her skating and even cheered for her, her attitude and behavior have so turned me off that I've developed quite a healthy dislike for her, and I think subjecting myself to seeing her smug grin in the kiss and cry might send me over the edge, so I'll refrain for now. My thoughts on the other two programs:

Both were beatable. Michelle did have a glaring landing problem on her 3flip. But the problem was more than that. She hardly cracked a smile the entire time. I think the first hint of a smile I saw was about 75% into the program. She looked very tense and grim, and certainly didn't look like she was having any fun. If you compare that performance with her nationals SP, for example, no comparison: at nationals, she looked relaxed (admittedly too relaxed in retrospect), into it, and really had the jazzy mood down pat, here, no such case. Now, don't get me wrong, I've been a Michelle fan since she was 12 and finished sixth at nationals, and I'll be a Kwan fan 'til I die, but it looked flat to me, and frankly, the footwork sequence *still* looks as uninspired as I thought.

As for Irina, she did come to a near dead standstill on both her lutz and her double toe. Maybe she's been practicing 3loop with that so much that she's not used to reaching back for the double toe anymore. Just on a jump for jump basis, I can see why the judges gave Irina the nod over Michelle, much as I hate to admit it. I believe they pretty much considered all the other elements collectively equal, and gave Irina the nod on her jumps.

I did just happen to see the very end of Maria's program by accident, and left the room hurriedly before I could see the smirk, but her spiral is *so* inferior to both Irina and Michelle and her layback spin had a terrible position and was slow as molasses. Maybe the rest was great, by I don't think by any means she should start ordering a display case for her gold medal...

March 31st, 2000, 06:20 PM
Oh no!!! sw, I disagree with you! For me (and I AM being hard on myself) it was:

1. Michelle
2. Irina (but not far behind!)
3. Maria

I thought Michelle did great. Even with the bad landing. She seemed fast, attacking, confident, happy. And her spins are noticibly faster to me than ever before. Sure, she wasn't totally "free", but very good none the less. I was surprised, because I expected her to be like she was in her Nats LP. She seemed really "on" with her music too.

Irina seemed more tense to me, not a lot, but enough. Great spins as usual, but her free leg in the layback today wasn't great.

As for Maria, she seemed even more tense until that double axel. Her first spin was VERY slow and her layback had a *really* bad leg position, as well as being a little slow. Not to mention the 45 degree spiral. Her jumps were really good though. I just didn't think the rest of her elements were better than Michelle's or Irina's, and the one mistake on the jump by Michelle and Irina didn't outweigh the rest for me. Even Dick said it's the advantage of skating last.

Am I the only one? LOL - I can't even remember Irina doing a double axel! Have to rewind <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON STOP--> !

March 31st, 2000, 06:24 PM
michelle was great even with the bobble. This is how the standings should be.

Maria( she was good)
michelle(overall the presentation was better and the tech should been about the same). Irina didn't have the best combo and I think the combo should weigh more than the single jump.
irina-good but a little tense.

March 31st, 2000, 06:29 PM
LIke she said she felt loose & it showed, & I don't think she could have done much better.
On the other hand Maria did not deserve 1st place, try to watch her without Sarah's beautiful voice. She lost her footing on the semi spread eagle in the middle of the program & her spin had no speed & her lay back was the worst of the night. And as usual she was her stiff/wooden self.
So SW you did not miss anything but blind jugdes playing at their game!
For me:
(1) Michelle Kwan
(2) Irina Slutskya
(3) Sarah Hughes

March 31st, 2000, 06:32 PM
Yes, Maria did deserve to be first...Obviously, spirals aren't as important as jumps and basic skating stroking isn't a factor.Not a bash. michelle was better than Irina. I will watch the tape again, but there was NO way that presentation wise Irina was better than Michelle.her in-betweens have improved, but there was a bit of flailing IMO. I thought Michelle seemed very free....loved her spins...her overall skating qualities were the best..loved her hair.

March 31st, 2000, 06:39 PM
michelle was great. She was much faster than usual and she had a variation on her layback spin. I was so proud.

You know now that I think of it I don't think the judges judged on all the elements like they should have. If I count all the other elements not the jumps then michelle should have definitely been in first. They only counted the smoothness of the jumps because maria's layback and spiral aren't good at all. Even my mother who doesn't know how to judge skating was happy to see how fast michelle skated and how well her layback was. She too thought michelle should have at least been in 2nd. She is going to be awesome next year.

March 31st, 2000, 06:42 PM
I have never before enjoyed maria's skating, although every performance i tried to find something to like, i couldn't. Tonight was different, i found i was actually enjoying watching her and that was nice.

I also enjoyed sarah more than i have before. she just seemed a little akward to me before, but tonite she really looked much better, i thought. I was quite surprized to see such low marks.

It is one of the few sp i can remember where all the top skaters were clean. that made it so much more enjoyable to watch.

i'm glad mk didn't fall or make any major mistakes. i agree with sw, there wasn't much smile there til near the end. i still wish she would've won and i wish her the very best in the lp.

April 1st, 2000, 06:34 AM
Since I haven't see the sp yet, I'm have no idea what to expect. I've heard so many different takes on everything!
Nobody can convince me that, other than the solo jump, any of Maria's elements were better than Michelle's. The judges just seem to care about the jumps. Why even pretend to have 7 elements anyway? They don't seem to matter. Were any of Maria's elements better than Michelle's???

Ice Butterfly
April 1st, 2000, 07:07 AM
IMO without even watching Irina and Maria skate, if Michelle would have nailed her landing on the 3flip she definately could have placed first. THAT'S HOW GREAT SHE LOOKED!!!

I didn't think she looked tense at all, I saw a fighter. And I thought she really looked happy and pleased. She even flashed a smile after bobbling the 3flip.