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Naomi
March 31st, 2000, 03:11 AM
As I said before, Icecalc is not currently working, but I've been watching live so far at Eurosport. It's very cool, I've never tried it before!

Anyway here's the link: click on "5 sec."

www.bikeride.com/eurosport/ (http://www.bikeride.com/eurosport/)


They've also started a thread on FSW


www.fsworld.com/bboard/Fo...01153.html (http://www.fsworld.com/bboard/Forum3/HTML/001153.html)


So far it's Vanessa Gusmeroli in first...
followed by Wojtala
and then Onda..

Anna Rechnio is skating now...

Naomi
March 31st, 2000, 03:18 AM
Well, Anna Rechnio apparently bombed...
Alisa Drei is skating now.

Only seven more skaters until MK!! Whoopeee!!

Naomi
March 31st, 2000, 03:27 AM
Ok the official site is working now:

Here's the link

www.nice2000.org/english/index.html (http://www.nice2000.org/english/index.html)

and here are the placements so far

Online Result


1
Vanessa GUSMEROLI

2
Sabina WOJTALA

3
Yoshie ONDA

4
Alisa DREI

5
Diana POTH
4
6
Galina MANIACHENKO

7
Anna RECHNIO

Anna LUNDSTRÍM

9
Silvia FONTANA

10
Siyin SUN

11
Shirene HUMAN

12
Ivana JAKUPCEVIC

13
Kaja HANEVOLD

14
Roxana LUCA
4
15
Julia LEBEDEVA

16
Anastasia GIMAZETDINOVA

17
Valeria TRIFANCOVA

18
Marion KRIJGSMAN



Next up to skate is

Elena LIASHENKO

20
Jennifer ROBINSON

21
Zoya DOUCHINE

22
Viktoria VOLCHKOVA

23
Tatiana MALININA

Angela NIKODINOV

Naomi
March 31st, 2000, 03:33 AM
Elena Liashenko into 2nd...

brandy00
March 31st, 2000, 03:43 AM
Hey Naomi! Please keep me posted on how everyone is doing, because EuroTV isn't working for me! I'm dieing!!!!! You might as well tie me up and shoot me <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON STOP-->

-Brandy

Naomi
March 31st, 2000, 03:43 AM
Jennifer Robinson into second...

brandy00
March 31st, 2000, 03:47 AM
Woohooo! I hopr Robinson had a good skate! <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON STOP--> Keep me posted Naomi!

Naomi
March 31st, 2000, 03:51 AM
It's hard to tell by watching Eurosport, how exactly they skated. But

Victoria just skated... marks from 4.9 - 5.2

not so good...but enough to take the lead

Vanessa g. in second
Elena Liashenko in third
Jennifer R. in Fourth


Sorry about the previous Jennifer r. post. I must have not hit the reload button

brandy00
March 31st, 2000, 03:54 AM
awwwwww, too bad for Jen.... hopefully she is going to make it through!! I'd wanna see her in the top 10!

-Brandy (who got up this earley so she could know how michelle did <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON STOP--> )

Naomi
March 31st, 2000, 03:56 AM
Tatiana Malinina marks ranging from 3.5 -4.1 OUCH, she fell, they showed her on the ice.

She goes into 10th place

Naomi
March 31st, 2000, 04:02 AM
Angela Nikodinov just skated and I think she did well judging by the crown reaction

marks for tech 5.1-5.7
artistic 5.1- 5.6

She did great! Goes into first!

brandy00
March 31st, 2000, 04:04 AM
WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! *yelp*! Go ANGELA!!!!!!! Team USA is going to rock!!! Angela just proved the begining of it all <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON STOP-->

-Brandy

Marco
March 31st, 2000, 04:05 AM
Poor Tatyana must have fallen on all her jumps...<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :( --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/frown.gif ALT=":("><!--EZCODE EMOTICON STOP-->
Coz had she landed at least a 2 axel, she would still get like mid to low 4s, but now?! 3.5s?!
It seems like it is really for the last group to fight, even VV dropped out of medal contention now.

Jahmal
March 31st, 2000, 04:10 AM
I'm so nervous...

Michelle skates next..

LOVE YOUR MICHELLE......

PLEASE KEEP YOUR BUTT OFF THE ICE....

GO USA <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON STOP--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON STOP--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON STOP--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON STOP--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON STOP-->

KwanBoy23
March 31st, 2000, 04:10 AM
WAY TO GO ANGELA!!!!!!!!!!!!

(Prays that Angela is in the Top 6! Prays that Angela is in the Top 6! Prays that Angela is in the Top 6!)

Three times is a charm you know!

KwanBoy23
March 31st, 2000, 04:12 AM
P.S. She must have made no major errors. Her marks for required elements ranged from 5.1 to 5.7. (Keeps fingers crossed and hopes he didn't jinx her.) WooHoo! And Michelle is up NEXT! (Faints with anticipation) Go Michelle !

Naomi
March 31st, 2000, 04:15 AM
Ok commercials are over, here we go...

Good Luck Michelle!!

Jahmal
March 31st, 2000, 04:15 AM
Kwanboy you just scared me when you said mistake..

Please hold it togather Michelle..

Monica Seles went down yesterday so today I need something to cheer about. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON STOP--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON STOP-->

brandy00
March 31st, 2000, 04:16 AM
COME NO MK!!!!!! We love you!!

Jahmal
March 31st, 2000, 04:17 AM
PLEASE LAND EVERYTHING MICHELLE...

I can even watch.. just post that Michelle landed everything and is in 1st place.


COME ON MICHELLE <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON STOP--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON STOP--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON STOP--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON STOP--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON STOP-->

Kidnotes
March 31st, 2000, 04:17 AM
Michelle is on the ice!!! They are warming up.

Jahmal
March 31st, 2000, 04:19 AM
I am so nervous...

PLEASE LAND EVERYTHING MICHELLE <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON STOP--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON STOP--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON STOP-->

Keep your butt off the ice, I don't want Slut to win..

Jackylutz
March 31st, 2000, 04:20 AM
GO MICHELLE!!!!!!!!

WE LOVE YOU MICHELLE!!!!!!!!

LETS GO MICHELLE, LETS GO MICHELLE!!!!!!!

Naomi
March 31st, 2000, 04:21 AM
Is anyone else's Eurosport screen stuck??

virginia girl
March 31st, 2000, 04:23 AM
YES!!!

Marco
March 31st, 2000, 04:25 AM
Michelle you can do it!! YES!!! Please land everything!!!
I have a feeling she have not only have a clean program, but a spectacular one too!!!
Michelle Michelle Michelle !!!

Kidnotes
March 31st, 2000, 04:26 AM
I can't tell what happened exactly, but they/ve shown two clean landings
5.4 to 5.7 for technical, 5.7 to 5.9 for artistic

Naomi
March 31st, 2000, 04:26 AM
marks range from tech 5.4 -5.7
artistic 5.7- 5.9


YES!!!! She did not fall, she did great!!!

AYS
March 31st, 2000, 04:27 AM
Look at that Hungarian judge...I knew it!!!!!

ykchan
March 31st, 2000, 04:27 AM
Just wondering, what was up with the Hungarian judges scores for Michelle? Everyone else had her in 1st.

Jahmal
March 31st, 2000, 04:28 AM
LOVE YOU MICHELLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PLEASE LAND EVERYTHING.......

I CANT EVEN WATCH YOU GUYS..........

MICHELLE ROCKS MICHELLE ROCKS MICHELLE ROCKS MICHELLE ROCKS <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON STOP--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON STOP--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON STOP-->

Caroline
March 31st, 2000, 04:28 AM
HURRAY! She's first for the moment!

Naomi
March 31st, 2000, 04:28 AM
Michelle into first place!!!!!!!!!!!

KwanBoy23
March 31st, 2000, 04:28 AM
Yes Michelle Is In 1st!!!!!!

AYS
March 31st, 2000, 04:29 AM
That Hungarian judge is the same one who gave her 5.5/5.6 in the QR:mad

Jackylutz
March 31st, 2000, 04:29 AM
WHAT'S WITH THE 5.4 FROM THE HUNGARIAN JUDGE?????

I THINK MICHELLE DID A CLEAN PROGRAM....

GO MICHELLE!!!!!!!!!!!!

Marco
March 31st, 2000, 04:29 AM
WAHTS" WITH THE HUNGARIAN JUDGE PUTTING MICHELLE IN 3RD PLACE?!

virginia girl
March 31st, 2000, 04:30 AM
...BIG BEAUTIFUL SMILE FROM MICHELLE IN KISS & CRY!!! The biggest smile I've seen from her in ages! Must have been a great skate!!

That wacky Hungarian judge gave MK the 5.4/5.7 and has her in THIRD overall!! All other marks much higher (all 1sts), although there is definitely room at the top.

Marco
March 31st, 2000, 04:31 AM
Oh BTW, is there a way for the referee to check whether the Hungarian judge is marking properly?! Do the judges have to submit a report or something they have to hand in?! I'll certainly wait and see how the Hungarian judge is going to explain!!!

Rene
March 31st, 2000, 04:35 AM
Thank goodness. I was having the worst time getting Eurosport and FSW. This is torture. Did she have trouble on the flip landing? Anyone have all the scores yet?

sgfan
March 31st, 2000, 04:36 AM
These are from the Eurosport screen:

Tech
5.6 5.6 5.6 5.4 5.7 5.6 5.6 5.7 5.7

Presentation
5.8 5.8 5.8 5.7 5.9 5.7 5.8 5.8 5.9

MKBeliever
March 31st, 2000, 04:38 AM
"A day in the life of Michelle Kwan"!!!!! Beauty and grace on the ice!!!!!!

I don't care what the others do...I am just glad she skated well!!!!

That Hungarian judge is my only damper on a, otherwise, happy morning!!!

I am so tired of the awful judging!!!

brandy00
March 31st, 2000, 04:39 AM
WOOOHOOOOO!!! GO michelle!!! michelle.. my bell <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON STOP--> !!

WOOOOOHOOOOOO *does a dance*

Marco
March 31st, 2000, 04:39 AM
Sebestyen into 4th place now...I guess that girl who was 2nd in qual A cant beat Michelle right?! coz she doesnt even have a flip...so I guess it is all up to Sarah, Irina and Maria...I think Irina will win the short actually...with Michelle in second place

lavender
March 31st, 2000, 04:41 AM
Someone said she had trouble holding on to the flip landing. But I don't understand the 5.4. They definitely want a new champ.

Marco
March 31st, 2000, 04:41 AM
Hmm... yup...Mikkiline (sp?!) is in 12th place now

Naomi
March 31st, 2000, 04:43 AM
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Marco
March 31st, 2000, 04:49 AM
Iirna took the lead <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :( --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/frown.gif ALT=":("><!--EZCODE EMOTICON STOP-->
Michelle got 3 1st place ordinals though <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON STOP-->

Kidnotes
March 31st, 2000, 04:51 AM
Sarah's marks just came in 5.0-5.5 tech, but she
looks disappointed with them.

Here comes Maria

Naomi
March 31st, 2000, 04:52 AM
Sarah Hughes into third place!! Way to go girl!!

marlana
March 31st, 2000, 04:53 AM
I believe you 100% lavender. I didn't want to but it's beginning to look like you're right. However this year Michelle didn't put 100% into the skating and it seems that she realizes that. Maybe next year she'll put college on a lighter schedule and be back where she belongs. I bet the champion this year though can't hold that place as long as Michelle did and will again. I think that as long as she skates well in the long program too that it will end this season on a positive note for her. I was so glad to hear she did well and had a big smile after the short program. I look forward to seeing two wonderful programs on TV this weekend.

Kidnotes
March 31st, 2000, 04:55 AM
Maria has finished her program. She's bowing, and looks happy
She must have skated clean.

Marco
March 31st, 2000, 04:55 AM
Wow I am so happy for Michelle, Sarah, Angela and also Vanessa...
so now the worst Michelle can finish is 3rd in the sp right?! so could someone please tell me whether Michelle will still be able to control her own destiny in the free skate?!

Rene
March 31st, 2000, 04:56 AM
Please, as soon as you get the results please post them. My computer is frustrating me beyond belief. Michelle has to be 2nd.

brandy00
March 31st, 2000, 04:56 AM
What about maria??

Naomi
March 31st, 2000, 04:58 AM
Maria goes into first. This is a sad day

lavender
March 31st, 2000, 04:58 AM
I don't think she is smiling now from what I read. The judges have made their statement. I know that if she didn't know before she knows now that they aren't for her being the champ again. If irina skates clean in long we should just say see ya at next worlds maybe. See ya guys. Enjoy the rest of worlds.

Still and always a michelle kwan fan
Sign off for now

Caroline
March 31st, 2000, 04:59 AM
MB is first... I should be happy but I'm quite crushed right now.

AYS
March 31st, 2000, 04:59 AM
Maria had all 5.8 and 5.9 I can't believe it. She's into first<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :( --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/frown.gif ALT=":("><!--EZCODE EMOTICON STOP--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :( --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/frown.gif ALT=":("><!--EZCODE EMOTICON STOP--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :( --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/frown.gif ALT=":("><!--EZCODE EMOTICON STOP--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :( --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/frown.gif ALT=":("><!--EZCODE EMOTICON STOP-->

Maeve
March 31st, 2000, 04:59 AM
!@#$ SKATE ORDER!

1) Maria
2)Irina
3)Michelle
4)Sarah
5)Vanessa

Kidnotes
March 31st, 2000, 05:00 AM
If my calculations are correct, Michelle must win the long program to win the gold. She'll need some help.
Maria must place third for that to happen, but that's not a big stretch, frankly. Let's hope Michelle gets a good draw for the free skate!

Maeve
March 31st, 2000, 05:01 AM
Where does Irina have to be for MK to win?

AYS
March 31st, 2000, 05:02 AM
I am completely nauseated.

The only good thing, is that if Michelle can win the long, it is not unlikely that Slutskaya could beat out Maria and allow MK to take the gold.

What a sad, sad day<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :( --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/frown.gif ALT=":("><!--EZCODE EMOTICON STOP--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :( --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/frown.gif ALT=":("><!--EZCODE EMOTICON STOP--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :( --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/frown.gif ALT=":("><!--EZCODE EMOTICON STOP--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :( --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/frown.gif ALT=":("><!--EZCODE EMOTICON STOP-->

Buffy
March 31st, 2000, 05:03 AM
I am becoming more and more convinced that the judges don't want Michelle to win. I am not sure why, but it sure seems like they are holding back on her scores. Maybe I am wrong, but unless there was a mistake I didn't hear about Michelle skated well - with a 3 flip. Why doesn't this beat a clean Maria with a 3 loop??? I don't care if Michelle skated first or not - that would be lousy judging. Doesn't Michelle have to have help now to win????

Caroline
March 31st, 2000, 05:03 AM
I should be happy because you know... everyone says.. may the best person wins and all.

But we shouldn't be mourning right? Michelle still has a good chance to beat both of them? Or am I deluding myself

Maeve
March 31st, 2000, 05:04 AM
It's gonna come down to the skate order again... When will we know the LP skate order?

Kidnotes
March 31st, 2000, 05:05 AM
If Michelle is first and Irina second, the ordinals will be tied, but Michelle will win
because she will have won the long.

marlana
March 31st, 2000, 05:06 AM
I cannot believe maria is in first. What happened to Irina. I would much rather Irina be in first. Oh god her head will explode if she wins again.

NicoleM
March 31st, 2000, 05:06 AM
I can hardly believe it.. all this talk about Michelle and Irina, and Maria sneaks into first! I vaguely remember posting something about not counting her out, because of her tendency to pull it together by the end of the season. She must have really stepped up to the plate, because I was definitely under the impression that the international judges preferred Irina to her. It remains to be seen whether she can hold it together for an entire long program that is good enough to beat both MK and Irina. I hope Michelle really lights it up in the free skate, and the judges give her the marks she deserves. (I also hope she gets to go late in the skating order, as that seems to be helping).

pumpkin5
March 31st, 2000, 05:07 AM
free skate

1. MK 2.6 + 1.0 = 3.6
2. Slute 1.6 + 2.0 = 3.6
3. MB 1.0 + 3.0 = 4.0

If michelle wins the free and slute beats maria,
michelle will win the championships.
I think slute will surely beat maria, but michelle must win the free, anyway.

eilaram
March 31st, 2000, 05:07 AM
What? I thought tommorrow was April Fools Day...I think I'm going to go throw up...its actaully not a stretch but I woke up sick this morning and I've already thrown up a few times (I'm sure everyone wanted to know that)...I was hoping for good news after my terrible morning...well with these results I now know nothing is guaranteed so who knows what will happen for the LP...I hope I feel better by then...

marlana
March 31st, 2000, 05:08 AM
I'm sorry I bashed maria without thinking. It won't happen again.

Teddy99
March 31st, 2000, 05:08 AM
JMO....The reason Maria is in 1st is because she skated last! I honestly don't see how she could beat Irina technically and Michelle artistically esp. if they both had clean programs...Nope I won't believe it! Anyhoo, That Hungarian judge needs a good swift kick in the a$$...5.4!!! someone in Nice, please be nice enough and slap that judge for me. GOOD FOR MICHELLE!!! putting that flip in her SP...I'm proud of her! GO MICHELLE!

Teddy99 keeper of the title: "Michelle Kwan, #1 Skater of the Decade"

Teddy99
March 31st, 2000, 05:08 AM
JMO....The reason Maria is in 1st is because she skated last! I honestly don't see how she could beat Irina technically and Michelle artistically esp. if they both had clean programs...Nope I won't believe it! Anyhoo, That Hungarian judge needs a good swift kick in the a$$...5.4!!! someone in Nice, please be nice enough and slap that judge for me and tell them Teddy99 sent you! GOOD FOR MICHELLE!!! putting that flip in her SP...I'm proud of her! GO MICHELLE!

Teddy99 keeper of the title: "Michelle Kwan, #1 Skater of the Decade"

Kidnotes
March 31st, 2000, 05:10 AM
It will be a bummer if she doesn't win, BUT if she does a great long and is happy
with herself, what an amazing year for her. I am still amazed she did so well this
fall with only 1-2 sessions on the ice. She is truly an amazing athlete, and to succeed in
keeping that quiet almost season-what a trooper she is! Let's pray for a wonderful
experience on the ice for her tomorrow, win or lose!

Lara F
March 31st, 2000, 05:11 AM
Grrr...someone tell me how Michelle gets a 5.6 with the flip (even if the landing was wonky) and Maria gets a 5.9 with a loop, when her *other* elements aren't quite as good.

Maria's program can be mesmerizing if really well skated, but in that case give it to her in presentation - not technical!!!

Teddy99
March 31st, 2000, 05:11 AM
sorry for the double post!

lavender
March 31st, 2000, 05:12 AM
Maybe we are. If irina, maria and michelle skate great then the judges who are not liking michelle anymore would probably put irina in 1st. Michelle and maria would be a toss up. This not how I would put it but I'm not a stupid judge. Before this whole competition i was worried about the judges not how michelle will skate. The judges controlls a lot of everyone's destiny. Yeah you have to skate great but in the end the judges have the say and they aren't saying michelle.

KwanBoy23
March 31st, 2000, 05:12 AM
OK. First off I need to apologize ahead of time for I am sure to piss quite a few people off but it's not intended but I'm expecting it.

HOW THE HELL DID MARIA BEAT THEM BOTH!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm sorry but Irina and Michelle are both better artistically than Maria and she got all 5.9's (Pretty much) and 5.8's and pulls ahead of them both! She only had a triple loop for christ's sake. And that beats 2 clean programs with triple flips!!! Am I the only one who's gone insane here! Well, anyways this is how it needs to happen for Michelle to grab the gold. She needs to win the long and Maria has to finish at least 3rd in the long and then it's all MK. The title is still up for grabs but if maria places first or second in the lp then michelle can't win. Irina still can if she wins the lp with maria in second. This blows. But o'well. I'll have to wait and watch a tape to see whats really going on.

GREAT MICHELLE! A clean SP with the flip! <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON STOP--> teehee

aehodman
March 31st, 2000, 05:15 AM
I totally agree, Teddy. There is no way Maria should have beaten out MK, at least not in the technical mark. Besides the fact that she does the easier triple loop, some of her spin entrances are not technically correct. Example: I watched Maria's GPF performance from this year about a week ago, and noticed that she often severely crooks her spinning leg during her entrances before going into a spin. I demontrated this to my coach the next day, and she told me to NEVER, EVER do that again or she would stop speaking to me! :P So my question is: if someone at the Adult Bronze/USFSA Preliminary level is scolded for doing this, why isn't Maria being penalized -- or at least warned -- for this technical error? This is by no means a bash of Maria, it is just an observation of one of the flaws in her skating technique that for some reason continue to go unnoticed by the international judges.

NicoleM
March 31st, 2000, 05:20 AM
And you are forgiven for the Maria bash. I think we are all in shock, and cannot be held responsible for anything we say in the next hour or so! BTW, I laughed at your comment, and you may actually be right. If Maria's head explodes, do you think they'll show that on Eurosport?

iceangelic
March 31st, 2000, 05:20 AM
I am so pissed off! I think MICHELLE or her COACH needs to SPEAK up and voice the judges' bias rullings on technical errors.

How can you award someone with a triple loop and crooked legs better scores than MK or Irina? These judges piss me off? Who can we complain to? We all need to do something about it.

Rene
March 31st, 2000, 05:25 AM
Well Maria probably won because of her beautiful spiral, exquisite layback, inventive choreography, charming personality and wonderful flow out of her jumps!

And yes, her head WILL explode if she wins again!!!
The judges know Michelle can't win without help in 3rd. They should be kissing the ground that she walks on, she brings more money and attention to this sport right now than anyone else. Just give her what she deserves. Nobody will ever convice me that with 2 clean programs that Maria going element to element against Michelle would be superior in ANY of them. Exactly what are they judging?? Personally I don't think this is bashing because it is true.

Rene
March 31st, 2000, 05:27 AM
Well Maria probably won because of her beautiful spiral, exquisite layback, inventive choreography, charming personality and wonderful flow out of her jumps!

And yes, her head WILL explode if she wins again!!!
The judges know Michelle can't win without help in 3rd. They should be kissing the ground that she walks on, she brings more money and attention to this sport right now than anyone else. Just give her what she deserves. Nobody will ever convice me that with 2 clean programs that Maria going element to element against Michelle would be superior in ANY of them. Exactly what are they judging?? Personally I don't think this is bashing because it is true.

Go Michelle and blow everyone away with THE RED VIOLIN. Leave 'em crying in their Goolash!

Googoo
March 31st, 2000, 05:27 AM
OKKKKK I am VERY happy that MK skated clean! You go girl! That's what I wanted. I'm not happy that Maria pulled in first, and got higher tech AND pres scores than Michelle AND Irina! I am STUNNED by that! It IS still possible for Michelle to win though!

amethyst
March 31st, 2000, 05:29 AM
I am just as upset as everyone else... Michelle was scored sooo low, and for what?! And Maria ends up with 5.9 marks for tech. I'm sorry, but did anyone else see the arrogant SMIRK on her face in the kiss and cry?!

Oh well, look at it this way. In the pairs skating, S&P skated last with a clear shot at the gold, bombed out and ended up 4th. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :( --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/frown.gif ALT=":("><!--EZCODE EMOTICON STOP--> AND in men's, Plushenko skated last with a clear shot at the gold, bombed out and ended up 4th.

If Maria skates last.......... ? <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON STOP-->

skateguru
March 31st, 2000, 05:30 AM
What a way to start a Friday. It sounds to me that the judges definitely don't want Michelle to win. I could cry right now.
Let's all pray for a miracle tomorrow.

brandy00
March 31st, 2000, 05:33 AM
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRr, I'm so darn MAD at the judges! What logic do they see, if michelle had a great program (<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON STOP--> ) WITH THE FLIP! And Maria had a great program (blah) with a loop! GRRRR! Before, i didn't want to believe that the judges didn't want michelle to win, but now it's getting SUPER hard! *sigh* I'm really frusterated! and the judge from hungary (sp?)... a 5.4??? How is that possible? They just don't want her to win <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :( --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/frown.gif ALT=":("><!--EZCODE EMOTICON STOP--> . Well, if Michelle is out of the race (which she is not out of at the moment), I want Irina to win it all, because this is going to get into Maria's head <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rolleyes --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON STOP--> and she is going to really be Ms. Lady Perfect now!

-Brandy

P.S. Sorry for bashing maria, but this is ticking me off!!

Rene
March 31st, 2000, 05:36 AM
Not only will they show Maria's head exploding on Eurosport, she'll get a 5.9 for it! OK, I won't say anything else I just couldn't resist that.

Sharon
March 31st, 2000, 05:43 AM
Hey guys, there is NO WAY that Michelle & Frank can openly talk about the judges bias. They will be silently black balled if they do that. Have to wonder if it's a little payback for Frank's comments about Irinas combos at the GPF? Any of the same judges?

We'll have to wait and see how they each skated, but it's "possible" that Michelle & Irina were tenative and Maria had a great skate. She's not my flavor, but then were not the judges unfortunately.

When I got to read everything yesterday, I had this horrible feeling that Michelle would not win. Unless she has an amazing skate and there are at least a few mistakes from Irina and Maria, they will not put her in first. If they all skate clean, it will be Irina, Maria, Michelle.

Amazing what envy does to people, isn't it? And National bias? I know there are cultural (presentation) differences, but a great skater is a great skater any way you look at it.

Anyway, I don't mind TOO much if she doesn't win this year, if the judging is reasonably close. It's the 2001 Worlds, 2002 Nationals and 2002 Olympics that I would love for her to win. Besides, if she doesn't win this year with a clean skate, she'll come back even stronger next year.

This has been a very hard year for her and a learning experience. Let's all give her a standing ovation no matter what the outcome....

<!--EZCODE BOLD START-->WE LOVE YOU MICHELLE!!!!!!<!--EZCODE BOLD END-->
<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><!--EZCODE ITALIC START-->clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap<!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->

badhairday
March 31st, 2000, 05:44 AM
I'll be sick with you all. i have class at 10.. and i'm not sure i can do this.. i'm sooooo depressed!!!! i always knew that the judges prefer russians, but this has gone too far.. i wouldn't mind if irina was in first, but maria???? helz no, no way!!!

pumpkin5
March 31st, 2000, 05:46 AM
I'm sorry.
This is not a bash for maria but does she straighten her free leg in doing her spirals? She always uses her hand to get it higher. Well, I'm so confused.
At least, michelle and irina do better spirals than maria.
Am I wrong? Please correct me.

ykchan
March 31st, 2000, 05:56 AM
Just a thought. What if Sarah skates well and beats Maria? Does that shake anything up?

michaeljosh
March 31st, 2000, 05:57 AM
...where i live it is 11:54pm and i obviously stayed up for the results. they weren't that good were they. bad to wreck someones day at school, and in my case bad enough to give me an unpleasant night's rest.

well can't turn back time now. just glad to see Michelle skating perfectly out there. really want to see how the press reacts to this and what really happened move per move. as of press time no article is out yet.

i prayed so hard, but i'm sure GOD has a good and perfect will for Michelle. wehther she wins or not she isa winner with fans like us. Like the USA today article on the other thread says, "She is Figure Skating."

tracey64
March 31st, 2000, 05:58 AM
I agree that Maria's head will be so big it will explode!!!! (That was a hilarious comment by the way)
If Michelle doesn't win gold, I would also like to see Irina win - at least she is decent about everything, and I hope Maria ends up third or lower.
I also feel we should be so proud of Michelle for putting the flip in - that shows she has been really working hard on her jumps and technical ability - right? It shows she is going to fight for everything
again.
At the very least maybe Maria will retire after this - as she almost did after last year I heard.

TaraLover
March 31st, 2000, 06:03 AM
Rene, you said Michelle is better at everything than Maria. Not true. Maria has a better lutz. Kwan flutzes. But she flutzes really well. Maria does a real lutz. Kwan messed up her flip somehow, I heard. I also prefer Maria's artistry. She got very high marks for presentation, mostly 5.9's.

Rene
March 31st, 2000, 06:09 AM
OK Taralover, don't even start me on Michelle's LUTZ. Yes the landing on Maria's jumps are so beautiful and flowing. I notice you didn't mention any of Maria's other elements.
Oh and BTW, I'm really so very happy for you that you enjoy Maria's artistry.

lavender
March 31st, 2000, 06:15 AM
She prefers anyone as long as it isn't michelle. Here we go again.

badhairday
March 31st, 2000, 06:16 AM
I still don't get why people who don't like Michelle would come to her fan base forum?!!

pumpkin5
March 31st, 2000, 06:16 AM
As I said, for michelle to win, she needs other skater's help. 1. michelle 2. irina 3. maria, like this.

If irina wins the long, michelle second and maria third, irina's ordina will be 1.6 + 1.0 = 2.6, for michelle 2.6 + 2.0 = 4.6, maria 1.0 + 3.0 = 4.0 so michelle takes the bronze.

And if michelle wins the free and maria gets second, michelle will have the silver. Actually there is no posibility for maria to overtake irina in the long, I think. So gold or bronze. I really hate to say this but michelle could be satisfied with bronze medal this year. Sad, sad.. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :( --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/frown.gif ALT=":("><!--EZCODE EMOTICON STOP--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :( --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/frown.gif ALT=":("><!--EZCODE EMOTICON STOP-->

littlepebbles1
March 31st, 2000, 06:18 AM
Now I won't comment on the skating since all I saw of it was maybe 3 screens each for IS and MB and a continuous screen of MB's coach during Michelle's entire skate.

I think the reason I am so upset is that it's MB all set up for her 2nd title and Michelle looks like she will be lucky to hold on for the bronze, regardless how she skates, judging from the marks. Call me unreasonable and bitter, but I am still angry about MB's constant put downs of Michelle. Last year before Worlds MB was going around putting down MK's skating. Yet she won and everyone jumped on the Maria=great and perfect, Michelle=2nd rate bandwagon. Then after Worlds she put down Michelle even more. And let's not forget the European vs American judging thing.

My beef is Michelle has been nothing but gracious to MB and all her competitors no matter what happened, yet she seems to get the short end of the stick when she needs/deserves(?) the upper hand. While Maria seems to get everything on a silver (or <!--EZCODE BOLD START-->gold?<!--EZCODE BOLD END-->) platter. Easy qualifying groups, 1st place with her "victims" too far down to do anything about it. I suppose it's reward for her "refreshing honesty". Sigh.

I guess I wouldn't be taking this so hard if it were Irina or Sarah or Joe Blow in the lead. I know I'm supposed to feel sorry for MB because of how her federation treated her and her car getting blown up, but she lost my sympathy with her constant callous remarks.

If MB wins Worlds again, she might not want to buy any more cars because the jealous people will probably just blow them up again because "she got everything she deserved".

And as for Michelle, I still love her whether she is 1st or last. I hope she doesn't let this get her down, regardless of what happens. (and hopefully it will all rub off on us fans. LOL) I do hope she gives MB and everyone else a good hard run for the title and make everyone realize that she is no has been. And I know she knows that if there truly is a God (or destiny or whatever anyone else may believe in) she will be rewarded for her ways because in the big scheme of things, gold medals are inconsequential (but I still want her to WIN!!). I on the other hand will probably spend most of the rest of my life inside a car hiding from this post. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :b --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/tongue.gif ALT=":b"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON STOP-->

Now that I have vented, I hope I will have the strength to face this all with as much grace as Michelle.

lizard
March 31st, 2000, 06:24 AM
I'm not sure why you chose to write comments like you did at this particular time but your post seemed quite meanspirited especially at this time when KWAN fans are very disappointed in the results of the short program. I'm not sure if this is really the appropriate time or place to write what you did. Many people in the figure skating world, not just Kwan fans, agree that Michelle has a good lutz and certainly does not flutz. If michelle "messed up her flip, somehow", then perhaps that is why her technical marks were slightly lower. But where did you hear that? If you had included that in your post, we would be able to go to that link and read it for ourselves. Finally, you are certainly allowed your own opinion of maria's artistry. However, it may have been more prudent to hold off on your comments about that or post them on another board. In case you haven't noticed, this has been a difficult time for Kwan fans on the MK Forum. We are completely dedicated to MK fandom and take any setbacks to heart. We need all the positive support and energy at this time to help us cope with our favorite skater not getting the results that we want. In a way, it's like kicking us when we're down. Maybe I should have ignored your post, but I just couldn't let that slide by in the midst of many heartfelt posts of mk fans. Try to be more sensitive in the future and remember the focus of this particular board.

Teddy99
March 31st, 2000, 06:25 AM
This isn't meant to be mean, but why are coming over here trying to stir up trouble?!! BTW, I think you have it mixed up....it's Tara who flutzes, NOT MICHELLE!!! get it right! If you think Maria has the better presentation over Michelle that's fine, but don't put Michelle down in the process!

Teddy99 keeper of the title: "Michelle Kwan, #1 Skater of the Decade!"

marlana
March 31st, 2000, 06:26 AM
But Michelle is doing better than at Nationals. She is getting back where she wants to be. And maybe it won't be this year, but next year she'll come back. Look at her putting in that flip. Good for her. She's not holding back. She'll lighten her school schedule and concentrate on the skating more, get her jumps perfected and wow she'll be unbeatable. A very good learning experience this year was for her. A very classy gal. She's the audry hepburn of skating. I know this sounds silly.

Rene
March 31st, 2000, 06:32 AM
ITA littlepebbles. I'm bitter too, does it show? LOL.

I WANT MICHELLE TO BLOW EVERYONE AWAY WITH THE RED VIOLIN AND LEAVE THEM CRYING! Good girl for the flip. I'm very proud of her. I don't know how she handles the pressure. I can't even handle the pressure of this! I hope she forgets about placements and just "FLYS" on Saturday.
OH NO, I just found 3 new gray hairs.

Teddy99
March 31st, 2000, 06:37 AM
I'm with u!!! I think Michelle will have to open a new can of WHOOP-A$$ tomorrow night and show everyone why she's been on top for years, and why "She is Skating!"

Teddy99 keeper of the title: Michelle Kwan, #1 Skater of the Decade!"

taboo999
March 31st, 2000, 06:38 AM
Because of after the 97 season, 98 Olympics, 99 worlds, and now, who is the Queen of the Ice, not the mention Queen of the Endorsements. Neither of his number ones. It's the Silver Belle, not the golden girls. He/she knows it as well as we do and can't stand it. He or she is just acting out on his frustration. Don't worry, no matter what this troll says, it won't change MK's top 10 most marketable athletes standing or her Disney deal, Chevrolet deal, or USOC honors (like the jacket). Hee hee hee <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :evil --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/devil.gif ALT=":evil"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON STOP-->

Forgive me. *snicker*

Marco
March 31st, 2000, 06:41 AM
Tara Lover,
Just like us Kwan fans would not criticise Irina's speed, it is strange that a Tara fan is criticising Michelle's Lutz. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON STOP-->
Are you also a keeper of Tara's flutz?

lavender
March 31st, 2000, 06:44 AM
You know she is happy now. Of course she wants to kick you while your down. She is definitely ecstatic now. She does not like michelle at all. She is just that type of person to rub it in. I know this because I have read previous posts.

MKBeliever
March 31st, 2000, 06:48 AM
I agree wholeheartedly with your post Lizard!!!!

As a matter of fact, if you click on TaraLover's name you can get this persons e-mail address.

I sent TaraLover an e-mail voicing my concern over choosing to post those comments here this morning.

Others may wish to follow suit and voice their displeasure as well.

This question is for all non-Michelle supporters:

"If you don't like Michelle, why do you come here and post negative comments on this board?"

I don't go to Tara boards and bash her....or any other skater's boards for that matter....I guess I expect the same respect here!!!!!

sw10025
March 31st, 2000, 06:50 AM
There are certain people who come here for the express purpose of gloating or to start a fight, and by responding to them, you give them more creditability than they deserve. They simply aren't worth your time and attention.

kwanette
March 31st, 2000, 06:50 AM
What place is MK in after the short? Third? If she wins the FS does she win? Please don't speculate...answer ONLY if you know.If I sound curt, I am...but I do apologize. I am relatively calm because I expected the result.I am just annoyed at the idle chit-chat on FSW and here...to a degree....Nice post, Taralover.....I would dignify it with a response.....

dreamr
March 31st, 2000, 06:51 AM
Like someone said before me, "I prayed so hard..." I prayed the entire night and all day yesterday. But I guess it was God's will for Michelle not to win Gold in the 2000 World Championships but for her to win GOLD IN 2002~!!!!!!!!! <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON STOP-->

I am so sad and dissapointed. I'm not dissapointed in Michelle because she went out there and tried her hardest and went for that 3flip! I'm proud of our MICHELLE! I'm just sad that Maria is in FIRST!! ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! I know we all sound so mean but geez this girl oops I mean WOMAN just gets on my first nerve. If Michelle can't win gold then I say GO IRINA!

From the Reviews I've seen, Maria clearly won and this was the Sp of her LIFE. Of course the skating order had to help.

Well I personally am just going to stay away from the boards/tv coverage/ newspapers(who will obviously put down Michelle) until maybe oh I don't know October! LOL So you guys next season. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :( --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/frown.gif ALT=":("><!--EZCODE EMOTICON STOP-->

GO MICHELLE! JUST HAVE FUN OUT THERE!

Zhenya
March 31st, 2000, 07:05 AM
I hate to tell you guys, but the 3 flip and the 3 loop are of equal difficulty

skatingfan
March 31st, 2000, 07:17 AM
is better to email her privately about our thoughts. You can
find her email by clicking onto her profile.
I just want to say one thing about MK's lutz, Loosemoore has
exam the ice tracing, and Mk does not switch edge.
I will take Sandra's words, she has a good reputation.

I think we should wait till the broadcast tonight.
From FSU and rssif reviews Mk's flip is clean, may not have
the best speed out of it. Mb's jumps have good speed and
flow. But 3f should have higher base mark.

About a poster's question about if SH skates better than
Mb wht would be the outcome, well ice is slippery, anything
can happen. But figuring thing out is just a matter of math.

QR counts 20%, sp 30% and lp 50%.
So you multiply the placement and the %, and add everything up
whoever has the lowest total wins.

Theoreticaly 20% translate to 0.2, but for worlds the 20%
converts to a factor of 0.4, so proportional to that
20% = factor of 0.4
30% = " 0.6
50% = " 1.0

So so far Mk has 2 X 0.4 = 0.8
3 x 0.6 = 1.8
a total of 2.6

IS has 1 X 0.4 + 2 X 0.6 = 1.6

MB has 1 X 0.4 + 1 X 0.6 = 1.0

SH has 3 X 0.4 + 4 X 0.6 = 3.6

I think SH will not likely place above MB, but she is in position
to threaten Mk, if she scores ahead of MK in lp, Mk may
even be off the podium.

If MK finishes 1st in lp she may be either 1 or 2 overall
depending on relative placement of IS and MB ( assumming
MK, MB and IS are top 3 )

If Mk finishes 2 or 3 in lp she will be overall 3 , again
assuming Mk, MB and SH finish top 3.

aehodman
March 31st, 2000, 07:29 AM
Sorry to disagree, but the flip and loop are NOT of equal difficulty, whether they be triple loop or triple flip, or just single loop and single flip. I have been a participant and attendee at competitions, both in ISI and USFSA, at the lower levels where often, all other things being equal, the winners were often decided on the basis of these two single jumps (especially the flip). So, as a practicioner of both these single jumps (and close to a double loop on the jump harness), I must very much respectfully disagree.

TaraLover, it seems you've missed Maria's huge, glaring wind-up leg bend before almost every one of her spins (something even pre-preliminary skaters are not allowed to do) in your mind-boggling technical analysis of Maria and Michelle. It's been proven that Michelle does not flutz. Why are you even here and being so negative for no reason? Heather and Jenny, I think it might be time for y'all to do a David55 here....

lavender
March 31st, 2000, 07:48 AM
I have seen taralover's post and believe me she is even worst than David.

eilaram
March 31st, 2000, 07:57 AM
Now that I'm feeling a little better I'll add some stuff...I am very happy that Michelle skated cleanly...she did all she could...If she skates a clean or a pretty close to clean RV for her LP I will walk away from this competition happy...I am not going to let nine people tell me what to think of her performance or her as a skater...Taj Mahal from 97 Worlds is one of my favoriite programs to re-watch...Anything can happen tommorrow...who will win depends on who falls, who skates cleanly, who does what triple/triples, what the judges smoke beforehand, and if Michelle can convince some of the judges that she's Russian...

Jackylutz
March 31st, 2000, 08:10 AM
I am just sick of people coming to the MICHELLE KWAN FORUM and start criticizing MICHELLE KWAN!!!!!!!!!

I am sorry if I offend anyone, but IF you are not a MKFAN, at least be courteous enough not to bash MICHELLE KWAN. I know that everyone is welcome here to express their opionions, but do it with tact.

Just realize that this is the MICHELLE KWAN FORUM.

AND WHATS WITH THE JUDGES IN NICE, THEY ARE KILLING ME HERE!!!!!!!!
IT ALMOST APPEARS THAT THEY JUST WANT IRINA OR MARIA TO WIN PERIOD.

GO MICHELLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WE TRUE FANS BELIEVE IN YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AND WILL ALWAYS LOVE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!

amethyst
March 31st, 2000, 08:15 AM
Sorry if someone has already answered by the time this posts, the boards are really loading slowly for me today.

For Michelle to win Gold, she would have to win the LP AND place 2 slots higher than Maria. Meaning Maria would have to finish 3rd or lower in the LP. If Michelle wins the long and Maria finishes second, Maria still wins Gold. If it goes Irina, Michelle, Maria - Maria still takes silver and Michelle would take bronze.

kwanette
March 31st, 2000, 08:23 AM
Thanks......

Abbyone
March 31st, 2000, 08:37 AM
ITA! I am new to these boards, but have been reading them for some time. You guys crack me up. After a terrible morning, some of these posts actually made me smile. I hope Michelle can convince the rather questionable judges that she part Russian and part Hungarian!

pbluu
March 31st, 2000, 08:44 AM
I think for MK chance to win it is better for MB to be first because we all know how MB can be during her long program. Irina has a best chance of placing higher than Maria. That is if MK places first.
If Irina was first in the short then I think it would be tougher for MK to place first then have Irina places lower than Maria.
Irina is jumping very well so i'd have to give her the edge over Maria.

I hope this will be the order for LP:
MK
IS
then Maria somewhere after this.

I do not like Maria. She doesn't seem like a warm and genuine person. She always has a smirk and arrogant smack on her face.
If MK doesn' win I hope Irina will.

brandy00
March 31st, 2000, 08:46 AM
MKFANS! Calm down! (it took me awhile to do that, so just sit and relax.... drink some water, take deep breaths.. you know! <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON STOP--> ) It's still not over!! HAve a little faith in our Angel, and give her the benift of the doubt. Take Nationals for example. I know that Sasha Cohen hasn't been compared to Maria and Irina, but Sarah has, so this can kind of relate. Didn't Michelle pull herself together in the LP? I thought she was the 2000 United States Champion! I'm willing to give a *HUGE* benift of the doubt here, because she CAN work miracles! And lets not forget, win or lose, medal or not, it doesn't matter, because she is still Michelle . Don't count MK out, guys, not yet at least. I know with the new skating order it's even going to be harder for her, but this just makes it more challenging!

Now, we can stick up together for her, because we LOVE her, not because our loyalty is based on winning. So ask yourself, Is your attitude going to change if she loses? I didn't think so! So lets cheer up, and if she skates the program of her life, then hooray for her. And if she didn't, that's still okay. I just think she is saving herself for 2002 Olys!

-Brandy-

pbluu
March 31st, 2000, 09:37 AM
I agree with you Brandy.

I hope MK will stick around for the 2006 Olympics!
Hee hee.

sw10025
March 31st, 2000, 10:01 AM
Whether its over or not, whether Michelle realistically has a chance or not, I don't care. Eilaram is right:

are you really going to let nine people tell you what to think of her performance?

I just want Michelle to go home feeling happy with her performances and that she had a good time.

NicoleM
March 31st, 2000, 03:04 PM
Every commentator I've heard says that a flip is more difficult than a loop

To quote Frank Carroll in the fall of '97: "Michelle most certainly does not flutz" (Ok, I don't know if that's the EXACT quote, but it's close, at least)

LOL @ Rene for saying Maria would get 5.9's for her head explosion!

dreamr
March 31st, 2000, 03:16 PM
This morining I woke up with the worst headache and added to that the SP results made it worse! LOL AYYYYYYY!!!!!

I even threatened never to come back to Message Boards again! What was I thinking!?!? LOL

I just realized as I was sitting in my Biology class that I'm not a Micelle fan because she wins GOLD SILVER OR BRONZE, I'm a Michelle fan because I love her skating period. Her attitude is so uplifting and fills me with so much joy. Her skating is the BEST out there and I'm proud that she is representing the United States in France.

That being said, I'm not going to leave when the going gets tough. I am going to stand by our Michelle and enjoy every minute of her career as an eligible and later on(very later on) a pro. Through the good times and Bad times I wanna be there for her. ~~~~HER FANS WILL ALWAYS LOVER HER SKATING, WIN OR LOSE~~~~~

GO MICHELLE! SKATE FROM THE HEART!

sw10025
March 31st, 2000, 03:19 PM
Well, I have to admit that in my more uncharitable moments, I would definitely pay for a front row seat to see that head explosion thing... <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :evil --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/devil.gif ALT=":evil"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON STOP-->

Anita18
March 31st, 2000, 03:55 PM
I couldn't wait to get home so I checked the results on a school computer and now look what's happened. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :( --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/frown.gif ALT=":("><!--EZCODE EMOTICON STOP--> Come to think of it, the same thing happened with the qualifying rounds too, when I logged on the school's computer to look. OTOH, when I checked the results at home (men's qual, SP, and LP) good things came to light. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON STOP--> I really should check the results tomorrow at home! (which undoubtedly I am going to do!)

Even though I feel really bad about Michelle right now, I still have some hope (especially in these Worlds, wow, everything's just gone awry!) and anything can happen tomorrow. And if she doesn't win (this is not a jinx, please! No bad karma..) then it won't really matter to me personally in the long run, since she is (and always will be) the most beautiful and seamless and emotional skater I have ever seen. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON STOP-->