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Polo1882
February 13th, 2000, 10:59 PM
I feel so bad for Naomi right now. Her program to "Intro. and Rondo Cappriciosso" was really sumptuously choreographed, so many interesting variations on choreography and positions. Like the scratch spin, her great layback which reminded me of Lucinda Ruh's except with a turn-out, and her one-handed Biellmann. I hope she keeps this program, because it seems too much of a waste to throw it away before it's reached it true potential. But, yesterday, she seemed really frenetic and hyper. Did anyone notice how much speed she took into her double axel? Man, it was like she exploded into the air and had that slightly out of control landing! She seemed to be skating with a severe adrenaline @#%$ didn't look natural. I could see that she wasn't going to have a good night the way she was attacking everything with a wild (and I mean WILD) abandon...I thought she would spontaneously combust! I think she had too much pressure in her and skating after her training partner, Sasha. I felt so sorry for her during her marks... Oh well, I hope this is a good lesson for her, and she learns from her mistakes...thankfully, she doesn't have this intense media presure scrutinizing her every move anymore.

Polo1882
February 13th, 2000, 11:01 PM
It was supposed to say: She seemed to be skating with a severe adrenaline @#%$ didn't look natural.

Polo1882
February 13th, 2000, 11:03 PM
I forgot to take into account that rush and it form the s***. Because I said something about adrenaline rush and it didn't look natural and i didn't take into account the censor thing would take it as a bad word.

skatingfan
February 14th, 2000, 05:28 AM
NNN rush her elements when she is pressured, she will learn. I find both her sp, and lp to be interesting.

aries2
February 14th, 2000, 06:40 AM
even though I was totally annoyed w/ her lasr year, I have to say that my heart went out to her. She must of had so much pressure on her, she seemed like she was ready to attack but things didn't turn out like she wanted. It also seems like her body has changed alot since last season, I'm sure that was a factor as well.

iceangelic
February 14th, 2000, 07:55 AM
Well, time to understand the concept of 'the thrill of victory' and 'agony of defeat'. Such is the nature of Sports - especially figure skating. If a competitor stays long enough in the sport, they know what it's all about.

Teddy99
February 16th, 2000, 09:13 AM
You know, it doesn't surprise me that things turned out the way it did for her this season. I kept saying let's see how she handles this season THEN we can talk about her being the next MK. After seeing her at Nationals this year, it is so evident that her technique is still not there yet, but her presentation/artistry is great...for a 14y.o. Was it me or did she seem to be too fast and rushing everything? One thing that really, REALLY bothered me was her comments in that little "diddie" commercial with Sasha, Sarah and Naomi..and Naomi said something to the effect that " I think I have what it takes to challenge Michelle this year" ummmmm, not this year sweetie! Don't get me wrong, I think she has great potential but this is definitely a case of too much, too soon! Goes to show you that these coaches, parents and whoever else involved, need to STOP IT!!! stop rushing these kids into things they're not ready for! Naomi was not ready last year, and everyone hyped her to no end, she comes out this year with 1, count 'em, 1 2nd place win, she's not ready. She been struggling all season to get her (F)lutz... and doesn't have it yet (meaning it isn't consistent enough for competition)...she's not ready! What bothers me even more is that they pressure these girls to get these jumps and they're not learning them correctly (lutz, flutz...whatever) their technique stinks! I'm sorry to put it like that but it's ridiculous how the media and others rant and rave about these girls Lutz' and they not executed properly, I have to ask myself, what the hell are they talking about?!!...it looks like some of these girls ankles are going to pop when they vault in the air, it scares me!! On a side note, did anyone else notice how much alike Sasha and Naomi's programs are in some areas? i.e., their layback spin, exactly the same, one has a forward charlotte, the other a backward charlotte. Come on girls give me some originality!! OK, I'm done ranting...I realize the US has alot of young talented skaters, but I think it's wrong to over-hype and rush these girls to the top of the podium before their time.... Teddy99 - keeper of the title: "Michelle Kwan, #1 Skater of the Decade!"

Beth2000
February 16th, 2000, 09:34 AM
The reason I don't rant and rave about Sasha and Naomi is b/c their bodies have not developed yet, I think maybe that is why Naomi is having problems this year. To me she looked like she has grown quite a few inches from last year and if she is starting to go through puberty then look out it is going to throw her jumps off. Good example and I am not bashing Katia Gordeeva either b/c I love her and her skating, but after her body developed she had a time getting her jumps back b/c it through her off. I think when we see some real improvement in these girls will be after their bodies change and then we can look out because I see some girls that are going to make some GREAT lady figure skaters! IMO.

skatingfan
February 16th, 2000, 08:32 PM
I think NNN's problems this year has more to do with her sudden fame and fortune and endorsements than her growth. She gets too much too soon. Sarah also has grown quite a bit in a year, and she handles the growth just fine.

sw10025
February 17th, 2000, 10:41 AM
Teddy99, a number of people have commented that Naomi seemed to be rushing or trying to muscle everything, so it wasn't just you. I think even D. Button commented on it during her LP.

I think her problems this year stemmed from both the growth in height and from the media hype and consequent pressure after last year's results. And as each less than performance she had this season was reported, everything snowballed. What worries me now is how she's going to handle it next season -- because this season is definitely over. She went from being the senior US ladies medallist with the S. Korean endorsement contract, the Leno appearance, all the hype and attention, to finishing so badly at the 2000 nationals that she not only wasn't nominated for the senior worlds team, she wasn't even placed on the junior worlds team. Failing to even make the junior world team was a circumstance that I don't believe either she or her coach were prepared for.

All this while her training partner, Sasha Cohen, is now basking in the limelight that she was enjoying up until a few days ago. Not only did she fail to achieve what she had been targeting all season, but she has to watch up close the girl who got everything she wanted. That's got to be really hard, and I can't imagine her coach is going to provide her with the support and encouragement she needs while he is busy promoting Sasha's interests.

I hope that after what happened with Naomi, the press doesn't go crazy about Sasha. I hope she doesn't end up becoming the center of a media frenzy, becomes a .com at this point, in fact, it probably would be a good thing for her if she didn't end up medalling at junior worlds and didn't get to go to senior worlds after all. I'd like her to have good results, enough to encourage and motivate, but not enough for the media to go into a feeding frenzy around her. I'd hate to see this happen again.

Buffy
February 17th, 2000, 05:22 PM
I really was kind of surprised that Naomi wasn't named to the World Jr. team. I was impressed that the USFSA just went with the top in the standings, I really figured they would go with Naomi since she does have more of a reputation internationally. I feel sorry for her, she is watching Sasha do almost exactly what she did last year. It will be interseting to watch both of them in the next couple of years. Does anyone know if Sasha's parents are tall/short? She is so tiny, 4'9 and 79lbs. Surely she will grow! She is 15, though, most girls are finished growing by 16 or so.

sw10025
February 18th, 2000, 09:45 AM
Actually, Buffy, while I think the USFSA did go strictly according to the standings in the case of Sasha Cohen, who missed much of the junior competitive year because of pain in the growth plate in her ankle (and for the obvious reason that the only way she'll be able to qualify for senior worlds is by medalling at junior worlds), I think they did consider the entire competitive season, not just the senior nationals placements, in selecting the *other two spots* for junior worlds. Both of the other junior worlds team members had good solid seasons, I believe both qualified for the junior GP final, and placed first and second respectively.

NNN, by contrast, had a terrible competitive season at the junior level. She made a number of mistakes in one GP event, the other was frankly disastrous and she failed to qualify for the GP final. Someone who posts here (sorry - can't remember who) and who watches the junior events much more closely than I do said that Naomi has a reputation for hot-and-cold, inconsistent performances, and from what I have heard, her 99 senior nationals LP was more atypical than typical of her level of consistency.

Beth2000
February 18th, 2000, 10:06 AM
skatingfan you are probably right, lets just hope the samething doesn't happen to Sasha. I just can't imagine being in their shoes(or skating boots) and have all of that attention from the media. It would make me a nervous wreck.

iceangelic
February 18th, 2000, 04:36 PM
I am not too happy they didnt let Naomi go to Junior Worlds. Win or lose, she needs to be exposed to international competitions too so she can improve 'mentally'.

Out of the whole USA national, Naomi had the most sparkle and flare. she's got the 'move'!!!!

I think she needs a new coach that's better than John Nicks. Nicks seemed too passive for her.

skatingfan
February 18th, 2000, 07:55 PM
NNN placed too much behind in her junior GP, and senior nats. I don't think they can justify sending her
to junior worlds. Good news is like Sandra said in her article NNN's speed and overall skating has
improved, even though her inconsistency in jumps remains the same. But she has the spins, and
a flying sitspin that is good. Her forward charlotte is no chop liver, I think when and if she gets
her jumps together, she would be dynamite.

Buffy
February 19th, 2000, 10:49 AM
Yes, sw10025, I knew that NNN had not done well at all this season except for one pretty high finish (the Jr.Canadian open ???? didn't she finish 2nd there? - I am not certain about this!). I actually agree with who they picked and why. I was just surprised! NNN is the 99 national silver medalists in Senior Ladies and it wouldn't have surprised me if the USFSA had considered that enough to put her on the team anyway!

sw10025a
February 19th, 2000, 07:46 PM
Naomi did finish second at her first GP event this season, I believe, however, if I recollect the press coverage correctly, it was considered a weak field generally and she made numerous mistakes in her LP -- only landed a few clean triples.

I'm truly sorry for Naomi, but I'm not the least bit surprised that she was left off the junior worlds team. You have to remember, the USFSA wants to maximize the number of berths it gets for each junior worlds each year, just like they do with the senior worlds team. The way Naomi has been skating, she would be unlikely to medal at junior worlds this year, and therefore probably wouldn't get exempted for next year's senior worlds anyway, but she might place low enough to jeopardize the US' chances of sending three ladies to next year's junior worlds. That would be a lost opportunity for one of the girls who is more likely to medal (Stellato, Kirk), but who is under the age requirement and needs to make the podium to get exempted from it. That would also mean one less opportunity for Naomi to try again next year, not to mention other up and comers who will still be under the age limit next year (Wheat, Kwon?). Its not worth the risk. I'm sure the USFSA wants to get these girls exempted as quickly as possible so they can start getting some senior international experience, not only for 2002, but to start building toward 2006.

eliyale
February 20th, 2000, 07:36 PM
Even with all of her mistakes, I think she's fabulous. In fact, she's my favorite of the new wave of American ladies. So much energy and excitement. Although, I agree, she did seem to be out of control. Was I the only one who heard say to her coach in Kiss and Cry that she was disappointed in how "slow" she skated. Puh-leez. Any faster and she would have disintegrated! <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">

In any event, she's still one to watch. I think this season for her was kind of like Michelle's '97 season. The combination of the hype and a growth spurt have wreaked havoc on her skating. I look for her to be back on her game next year.

I like the fact that she, Sasha, and Sarah are so different from one another. And I'm glad Michelle finally has some real competition again. Michelle's a fighter, and I know she'll rise to the occasion. The next few years should be very interesting.

KwanBoy23
February 21st, 2000, 02:29 AM
I must certainly agree with you that Naomi is certainly the best of the new wave of Amrican ladies. While Sarah has grown on me considerably, I love Naomi because she is right where she should be. No triple/triple combinations yet but her style and presentation are the best, second to only Michelle herself. She feels the music better than Sarah, and definitely better than Sasha, and she just touches me. Heres hoping she'll get that lutz under her belt (And not flutz it like all the other American ladies except Michelle) and some consistency.

François
March 2nd, 2000, 03:46 PM
I feel so bad for Naomi , i hope that she can learn to deal with the pressure and the puberty. she such a lovely skater.

rubyred
March 5th, 2000, 04:55 PM
Naomi reminds me of Nicole Bobek. She seems to have such a "great" package of athleticism and artistry. Her speed and power in skating is remarkable! I just hope that Naomi will hang on and will not follow the unfortuate path of Nicole... We will see.